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Yusef

I agree with nearly everything you said here, Elaine, but I don't think you are correct to suggest that Kerry be held accountable for what happened. It seems paranoiac to think the police were somehow instructed to intercept anyone asking certain questions, such as the questions about skull and bones. These police did not behave in a professional manner, they've made a big mistake, and rest assured they will be punished.

As I watched the video, I wondered how I would have reacted if I had been in the audience. Would I have vaulted over some chairs and started throwing punches at the officers? Could I have sat idly by? It all took place very quickly - the video clip lasts less than a minute and a half...I'm really pissed off by it, and stirred up, but I doubt I am so hair-trigger that without the foreknowledge that the student would be tasered( which was the worst part to watch) I might have tried to keep calm and keep things calm, and so here again I can't really fault Kerry, because that's what he was doing.

michael savoca

Elaine, I very much enjoy and appreciate your blog. I am in agreement with much of what you write and have learned from your writings, but his time I must disagree.

The security officers, or cops or what ever they were have a responsibility to protect senator Kerry. According to news reports i read the student was on his fifth question and would not release the microphone to the next questioner. He appears to have been directed to move on and refused.

The student resisted arrest. Maybe the arrest was justified maybe it was not but the place to contest that is before a judge, not in a wrestling match with the cops. If the student had used passive resistance and simply sat down and refused to move his case would be tenable.

But as the young man moved towards the camera into the aisle and took steps towards senator Kerry he represented a potential threat against the senator. Was there a weapon on his person or within the book in his hand? If the senator had been attacked, Kerry supporters and others, would have rightly raised the question 'how come a democrat who challenged Bush for the presidency was not protected in Florida of all places.

The student asked a good question about skull and bones and it seemed Kerry wanted to answer it. But I side with the cops on this one.

Greg

Youre kidding me michael......watch the friggen video link below before you embarrass yourself with rantings based upon "news reports i read".....no wonder the USA is heading down the toilet.... "But as the young man moved towards the camera into the aisle and took steps towards senator Kerry he represented a potential threat against the senator".....is this for real??????


Police Taser Student During Kerry Forum

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18418.htm

DeVaul

I guess then that any person who moves toward a senator or government official can now tasered, because after all, said person may have a gun or other weapon or even be thinking something that is now outlawed.

I would not have sat idly by, although I do understand very well the human condition to not risk one's own person to help another. No one stepped forward to help me when I once confronted three muggers in McDonalds after they stole my wallet from behind me.

What gibberish. I no longer believe Kerry ever served in any war. Like Bush, he is a coward.

JSmith

"When this brave young man questioned this ruling elitist pig about the Skull and Bones, he got jumped."

I think the problem occurred when he passed from quesrioning to speechmaking. And I very much doubt the subject had anything to do with it.

That having been said, Taser-ing is a bit extreme. They could have just as easily marched him out of there the way Cindy Sheehan gets marched out of places.

"The student, Andrew, was about as loud as I get in public."

Ever been tasered in public?

"And I believe he didnt' because he WANTED to see this poor kid punished for talking about verboten things!"

Well, damn. You also believe in magical-numberology and Outer Darknesses and all sorts of other wierd stuff.

"I warned the left years ago..."

And then what happened?

krn

When I watched the videos, I, too, was struck by way the police moved in as if cued by something the student said. (though I thought it was triggered by his questioning the validity of the 2004 election). He was certainly disruptive - many even cheered when he was prevented from ranting on. But why not get bouncers and simply remove him? Because this isn't about ensuring free discourse or defending against a threat. Meyer was clearly annoying, but no danger to anybody except himself. This spectacle was a demonstration of control. Tasering is a perfectly acceptable practice for a police state tasked with domination and ensuring control.

CNN reports today 70 yr old Betty Perry has been arrested for not watering her lawn. Actually, once again it's for resisting the authority of the police. And I'll bet anything, the independent investigation into Meyer's tasering will replicate Perry's: "the police department said the situation could have been handled differently. But the city attorney still is pressing charges...A state investigation found that Officer James Flygare acted properly in arresting Perry after trying to get her to cooperate."

In February 2008, the Advance Passenger Information System (APIS) gets implemented,ยจ the gist of which is that you will need permission from the United States Government (Department of Homeland Security) to travel on any air or sea vessel that goes to, from or through the U.S."

IT'S ALL ABOUT CONTROL. We're building and privatising prisons in preparation. This is extremely ominous for life here in the good ol' USA if you care about freedom.

Neuro Artist

Clearly he was arrested unjustly, and very brutally after he reacted to the unjust arrest. There were absolutely no need to taser him, since they had him down on the floor with maybe 8-10 PO's around him.

People cheering the arrest initially, and doing nothing as they roughed him up, was the worst part.

I think the questions he asked were good, and I wonder if Kerry will ever answer them.

Probably not....

The US has become a true fascist state, and it is only in the early days.

DeVaul

Yes, "speechmaking". That thing protected by the First Amendment.

Kerry violated the rules of the forum. It is a question AND answer session. He has no right to not answer a question when he is being paid by the public to do so. If he wants complete privacy, he should resign his senate seat.

Our government officials believe they no longer must answer any question we ask of them. When no answer is forthcoming, then we have the right to answer for them, i.e. "speechmaking". If the government official disagrees, let him state so and why.

All you have to do to really understand this video is watch the man in the background motioning with his hand to cut the camera or whatever and then imagine the police officers wearing red coats with white striped belts and triconer hats. This is what our ancestors had to deal with.

Apparently, the other students in the room were too timid to face off against the king's men. Pretty sad.

JSmith

"Yes, 'speechmaking'. That thing protected by the First Amendment. Kerry violated the rules of the forum. It is a question AND answer session."

"That thing" depends on the venue. If you ask three or four or five questions back-to-back, without waiting for the person to answer, you aren't asking questions any more. You're up on a soapbox enjoying the dulcet tones of your own voice - and it isn't even your soapbox. As R. Reagan once famously put it, "I paid for this microphone."

Far too many people think "free speech" menas "free of charge". If you want to make a point, go rent a bullhorn.

blues

Well, my great teacher, this Jewish peacenik guy, once gave me a tour of the Yale campus. And he pointed out a distinctly evil little brick (as I remember) building, which he said was a black spot upon all of Yale that would ruin all of it, one day. My great teacher was at that time the person with the highest mathematics score on the various big tests who had ever lived. He wouldn't have been much of a great teacher, except he had me as his student. But he did. I am no egoist about all this, mind you. It doesn't even take much to be a great teacher, but luck.

But yeah, I've seen the dark tower. Its heroes are assholes. I would not go near it. I have my own franchises that need attending to.

Elaine Meinel Supkis

I have made many speeches in public. I also have fast reflexes. It takes me about half a second to react. The young man cried for help...as he moved towards Kerry. He was content to stand still until he was attacked from behind.


Kerry did NOT tell the cops to stop. And so what if the young man hogged the mike?


I have had to deal with this MANY times in the past! Hell's bells, even violent men trying to attack me, I invite onstage! One guy wanted to tell me he wanted to kill Vietnamese. I agreed and told him killing could be sporting good fun. I even offered to have a toe to toe fist fight and would let him throw the first blow, this being legal for me to then knock him good.

He laughed, shook my hand and then happily sat on the stage for the rest of my speech.

Seriously, I have been threatened...more than once. And won over everyone by showing moxie. Poor Martin Luther King was ambushed, of course, the people opposing him couldn't confront him face to face, a great man, a great man.

blues

Kerry certainly DOES NOT have fast reflexes. In fact, that's the whole problem that has dogged this poor bastard for a lifetime. He condemned the stupid assault on the poor ranter after the fact. But he was unable to deal with it in the here and now. Typical Kerry non-move.

John

Ahhh, yes; JSmith. Our own little resident Bushbot.

You are a total choad, pal.

I personally think it's high time the citizenry rises up against the fascist state.

And it says a lot about today's youth that they just stood there while all this happened. They're too busy lapping up Algore's politically-correct global-warming bullshit to realize what's going on all around them. (It's the SUN, folks, not the SUV. Get a grip. This one's out of our hands.)

The "Left" is a joke. The "Right" is a joke. One isn't a bigger joke than the other; they're BOTH complete and utter wastes of time.

The thinking (wo)man is the most endangered species on the planet, and it's being hunted to extinction by both "sides." It's high time we started hunting the hunters. Our very survival is at stake.

Neuro Artist

Yes "War on thinkers" would be a more accurate term...

JSmith is a good foot soldier, probably doesn't even know it...

LibraLady

"Hell's bells, even violent men trying to attack me, I invite onstage! One guy wanted to tell me he wanted to kill Vietnamese. I agreed and told him killing could be sporting good fun. I even offered to have a toe to toe fist fight and would let him throw the first blow, this being legal for me to then knock him good.

He laughed, shook my hand and then happily sat on the stage for the rest of my speech."

Elaine, that is the way to handle it. My first thought on hearing/seeing the taser incident is how differently - and effectively - Al Franken (or somebody with their wits about them!) would handle it.

I thought of Franken b/c I was listening to his radio show once when he was on the road. Outside the venue, young Republicans were protesting, yelling, etc. Franken invited them in and on the stage to make their point!

It was the best thing he could have done - once he gave them a forum and asked them what their issues were, why they thought the way they did, it turned out they had nothing intelligent to say for themselves beyond talking points and slogans. Al gave them the rope to make themselves look foolish and unthinking. Sheepishly, they left the stage. THAT'S the way to do it.

The kid had valid questions, and someone in Kerry's position should have the poise and intelligence to handle the situation - and the ethical responsibility to support free speech and oppose repression. Kerry once again revealed himself to be the elitist he is - standing by while hired thugs remove troublesome commoners.

JSmith

"And so what if the young man hogged the mike?"

For starters, it's not the people's property. You ask your question (one to a customer!) and wait for the answer. Oh yeah - that's right. Rules are for other people.

If you want to make a speech, go rent a bullhorn.

"Hell's bells, even violent men trying to attack me, I invite onstage!"

And I bet it was someone else's stage.

"I personally think it's high time the citizenry rises up against the fascist state."

Will you be leading The People's Revolution, John? Uh-huh. I thought not.

"The "Left" is a joke. The "Right" is a joke. One isn't a bigger joke than the other; they're BOTH complete and utter wastes of time."

Speak for yourself, John.

"once he gave them a forum and asked them what their issues were, why they thought the way they did, it turned out they had nothing intelligent to say for themselves beyond talking points and slogans."

I'll agree with LibraLady on that. I expect that's how our Poor Tased Florida Youth would've ended up, too.

blues

Hey Smith, are you now, have you ever been a choad??? If so, I wouldn't take a plug nickel from you at a Salvation Army kettle.

plantseeds

Take a stroll through your local ghetto neighborhood or school yard for that matter. That kid would be begging to be tasered and carried away.

JSmith

"I wouldn't take a plug nickel from you at a Salvation Army kettle."

The word you wanted there is "plugged".

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