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Al

I'll have to re-read this several times for it to sink in. Us Skins got hard heads Elaine ! There was anger towards us from England and France regarding us wanting payback for war debts, usually this was considered cost of business by the winning side rather than a debt to collect. The Garet Garret book indicated the English felt very angry about us influencing their elections by criticizing Labor, I believe it was.
Back to read again. It will eventually make sense to me.

Bear of Little Brain

A bit off-topic:

Seeing your last table and the highlighted UK depression through the 1920's and 1930's made me think of my paternal grandmother (my ol' gran) and my mother and Winston Churchill. My mother was a teenage girl during the war and still idolises Churchill as the saviour of England and the British Empire (wry smiles all round). My grandmother loathed him with a vengeance. She was a young woman in the 'twenties and mother of two children from the mid-twenties on and she and they suffered greatly through those years. It was a period of outright class warfare (and we know who lost) and she blamed Churchill for much of it.

I mention this not just in passing, but also to illustrate how complex any attempt at analysing history is. Elaine, I have to thank you for broadening my outlook on all things economic (and hence, political). One thing I do have to do, however, is remind myself that whenever you refer to the actions of any country, that it is always a shorthand for 'the ruling class of' that country. Time and again, we underlings have to be duped or goaded into fighting each other, when we'd rather not bother. Who was it said, "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"? (Thank Google, it was Dr. Samuel Johnson, not just me.)

Just to make this vaguely about economics, back to my gran and to show how a generation never recovered from the trauma of the 20's/30's:
From when I was boy in the early sixties, I can remember seeing her neatly writing out her shopping list and entering the prices from memory (before going shopping - and all in beautiful Copperplate handwriting); then adding it up in her head (pounds, shillings and pence - not easy); then checking her purse to make sure she had enough money (even though she had no financial problems by then). Whenever I blew my earnings from my paper rounds and grocery deliveries on some fad, I would usually hear one of her favourite sayings – "Well, a fool and his money are soon parted". But always said with a smile or a laugh.
Something tells me that proverb will be back in fashion soon, along with, "Neither a borrower or a lender be".

Oh, I see S&P downgraded Goldman and Lehman late Thursday. What fun!


rockpaperscizzors

From Der Spiegel; It's High Time to Re-Regulate Banking
By Wolfgang Kaden
The shocking and reckless practices of banks behind the recent plunge in global markets illustrates just how far they have veered from reality. Stricter, more effective supervision is necessary, and the banks' perverse bonus systems must be radically revamped....Bankers, who like to see themselves as the true masters of the global economy, have driven the global economy into a calamity that is spreading to become a fundamental crisis for the entire financial system"..
The solution: "As difficult as it is for a liberal economist to say this, the only real solution is to disempower the bankers. We must impose tighter restrictions on our money traders' freedom of action. After years of deregulation, what we need now is re-regulation."

Finally, the reason for our current disaster:
"Everything in banks is currently geared toward taking advantage of the greed of individual bank employees, from senior executives to clerical workers, to maximum overall profits. Greed is treated as the supreme and sacred business principle. "This rat race for greater and greater profits can literally rock the system," Steinbrück aptly said in a SPIEGEL interview."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,542644,00.html

The title of this article should be BANKS GONE WILD


rockpaperscizzors

Hundreds seeking housing money overwhelm Boca Authority
BOCA RATON — A crowd of more than 500 people waiting for hours this morning for housing voucher applications were dispersed by police in riot gear at the Boca Raton Housing Authority when the applications ran out sooner than expected.

The action prompted complaints that officers used excessive tactics and housing authority officials were incompetent in their planning.

Two people were arrested and six to eight people hospitalized for exhaustion during the ordeal.

Hundreds of people, mostly mothers who had spent more than eight hours in line, were forced to leave the property at 2333 W. Glades Road by 30 Boca Raton Police officers, including SWAT team members, who walked toward the crowd in unison holding their police shields up about 10:30 a.m.

"Leave or face arrest," police officers shouted at the crowd as they urged them out of the housing authority parking lot. People were made to leave the vicinity altogether, with officers forcing them to cross the street and move toward their cars.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/south/epaper/2008/03/12/0312vouchers.html

Chris

History is a Laughing Bitch indeed. The neocon plan for Iraq at the time of the invasion was to create a new economic model, a free trade Shangri La, that was going to be a bonanza, for US companies only, from the feast on Iraqi Oil. All for the benefit of the US Empire... The neocons went to great lengths to tease 'Old Europe' over this point.


Chris

Bear of Little Brain makes a good point about the ruling elites. Ask the Japanese people of Okinawa how they feel about the US military *occupation* of Okinawa.

Chalmers Johnson puts this point across well in his article 'The 'rape' of Okinawa:

http://tinyurl.com/3cx9bc

*snip*

Because the Japanese government speaks with a forked tongue. For the sake of the Okinawans forced to live cheek-by-jowl with 37 US military bases on their small island, Tokyo condemns the behavior of the Americans. Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda called the recent assault "unforgivable" and demanded tighter military discipline. But that is as far as it goes.

The Japanese government has never even discussed why a large standing army of Americans is garrisoned on Japanese territory, some 63 years after the end of World War II. There is never any analysis in the Japanese press or by the government of whether the Japanese-American Security Treaty actually requires such American troops.

Couldn't the terms of the treaty be met just as effectively if the marines were sent back to their own country and called on only in an emergency? The American military has never agreed to rewrite the Status of Forces Agreement, as demanded by every local community in Japan that plays host to American military facilities, and the Japanese government meekly goes along with this stonewalling.

Once an incident "blows over", as this latest one now has, the pundits and diplomats go back to their boiler-plate pronouncements about the "long-standing and strong alliance" (Rice in Tokyo), about how Japan is an advanced democracy (although it has been ruled by the same political party since 1949 except for a few years after the collapse of the Soviet Union), and about how indispensable America's empire of over 800 military bases in other people's countries is to the maintenance of peace and security.

As long as Japan remains a satellite of the United States, women and girls in Okinawa will continue to be slugged, beaten and raped by heavily armed young Americans who have no other reason for being there than the pretensions of American imperialism. As long as the Japanese government refuses to stand up and demand that the American troops based on its territory simply go home, nothing will change.

Al

Chris,
well said. Both regarding Iraq and Okinawa.

OC

Japanese never consider folks from Okinawa as 'real' Japanese - why else no American military base in Kyushu, Shikoku or Honshu??

More importantly, time is running out once US dollar tanks and when the Japanese refuse to foot the bill for the US military base in Okinawa.

Chris

Only two things are certain they say. Death and Taxes.

I am beginning to think the Grim Reaper is both Death AND the Taxman when it comes to Empires and overspending. No cheating him on either account.

OC

Note that the British finally pay off the WWII loans to US last year: from 1945 - 2007 (62 years)

Wonder how long US needs to pay off the loan from China??

Elaine Meinel Supkis

All very good comments. I loved the story about the British grandma and mother. Yes, I use the name of countries for shorthand reference to the rulers. And yes, the input from 'voters' is severely limited by the rulers who insure we all have very poor choices for leader.

This is why no one gives good speeches anymore. And if they do, the media turns on them and attacks them unless they are supporting the present status quo.

And the status quo is bad. For our allies as well as us. It is not strengthening the allies, they are all sliding off the same cliff with us! This is why they have to cooperate with us in fixing our trade deficit. Once this happens, all other things get easier. And we can't fix it, either, unless we cease trying to rule the planet via our military.

DeVaul

Elaine's article on history only reinforces what I learned from reading her several years ago, and that is that world trade always leads to war.

This is why I am against international trade of any kind. We should produce everything we need right here at home. I live just down the street from one of Kentucky's few remaining plantations. Unlike the southern plantations, this one was totally self-reliant. It imported only coffee and sugar.

I still go there with my daughter to see the well-made root celler, which has a drain connecting it to two "ice houses". These ice houses look like teepees. They cover deep, stone-walled shafts that were filled with snow during the winter and packed down tight so that there was ice available all summer long. The melting ice flowed into canals that circled around the deep celler where milk and butter were stored and kept cool. They had a smokehouse nearby where meat was salted in a wooden trough or hung up and smoked. Little vents in the brick walls along the sides allowed the smoke to smolder for long periods of time. And of course, there were the outhouses.

It is fascinating what our forefathers were able to do with just local materials and their own homegrown ideas. There is no reason why we cannot be totally independant of foreign countries and their get-rich-quick schemes. It is a shame that we are now just like them. We will pay an awful price for this.

Elaine Meinel Supkis

America has ALWAYS had international trade. And trade is GOOD. And there is no 'retreating' into a turtle shell. For others will come to us and force us to trade like we did to China and Japan!

That is reality!

All we have to do is be alert to where our trade priorities lie and to use this to protect ourselves as we trade with others! This is the adult way to deal with reality.

The 'fight or flight' attitude is due to fear, not smarts.

OC

It goes back to 'competitive advantage' - why countries like Germany, Japan, Korea, Taiwan and China succeed in the face of overwhelming odds and others with all the inherent advantages (like most of ME) don't.

Our airheads (academics) can only do framework but not detail and lacks real life experience on the ground!! Totally fatal and their analysis led to wrong conclusions for 3 generations. Payback is a bitch especially
for empires!!

PJSV

rockpaperscizzors,

Instead of regulating again banks, maybe the solution is just to increase P2P banking market share on world banking. Examples: propsper.com, kiva.org. They don't create money !

Paul S

Excellent article and like some others, I will have to re-read it to get more of its meaning. I believe the underlying problem is corruption at a very basic, fundamental level. The actions with no consequences style of morality if you want to give it a name. Clearly the thieves on Wall Street were guided by the belief that the Government would bail them out, so they engaged in no limit risk taking. The US "ship" will not right itself UNTIL a number of Wall Streeters go to prison--for long terms. The message MUST be sent: you can buy off politicians but sooner or later you WILL be held to account for your thievery. Don't bother to expect politicians to reform. Expecting politicians to stop taking bribes or being corrupt is like expecting fish to stop swimming; they just can't do it.

Elaine Meinel Supkis

God, is is MUCH WORSE. They created the Derivative Beast. This creature straight from hell, is their protector. Only it now has to devour them. So they want US to save THEM from the creature THEY created! To protect THEM! My latest cartoon two stories above shows how this works.

Paul S

I viewed the cartoon. It does hit the mark. But the situation isn't all political--in a sense at least. There is an item in the Wall Street Journal discussing how the Chamber of Commerce is ramping up a PR campaign to blunt or defuse any coming regulation as a result of this scandal. At least now we know who will carry the water for Wall Street. The quote in the Journal said,'We're going to use every tool in the toolbox, including a Web-based effort.' (Can't wait to read the "information" on the website.) My prediction re their website? Regulation is bad; it will ONLY make matters worse. Let the markets sort it out. Yes, I AM psychic. I can't wait to read the studies done by their "independent" think tanks supporting their claims. Do you think they will have the nerve to call themselves a public interest group? Hehe. Wall Street recognizes the coming threat of regulation and they are preparing for a fight.

EL JOHNNY

How nice to be so detached. To let someone else solve the problem. To never get your hands dirty. To never sin, to be always judging and never in the pits firing. To always quote the book and never live the book...and so on....and so on....THROW THE BOOK AWAY...IT DOES NOT WORK.

EL JOHNNY

Ta;k about east meets west. Tribal behavior always looks for someone who will pay the bills. The big chief. Anyone who will take care of me and my life. We, they say, like white people because in the balltle bewteen the individual and the tribe, the tribe alway win. Weak white people, they are so weak,

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Wow, great historical tips. Right now I'm studding this at the university and this post is extremely useful. Thanks a lot!

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