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bill giltner


I agree with the pulse you are taking of the sick fundies, and most of what you post.

Dog gone it.... you only get things 90% right. I value your writing (blogging) a lot. I'm set up to feed your posts to the 9/11 Truth room at

I do this in spite of the fact that you really don't get the truth about 9/11 at all.

(Hint: Neither Flight 11, nor Flight 175 crashed into the WTC 1 and 2. The details of the hijackings, if they happened, are all dubious.)

Here's one snipet that might help you rethink the Pentagon attack:

I don't expect the above link to change your mind. However, you simply can't have researched the probable facts of 9/11 and do the posts that you have done.... (not unless you are disinfo). For now, I hope that you just haven't dedicated the time.

I include your posts because you provide analysis of the geopolitics and world economics that can't be obtained anywhere else. Your illustrations are great as well.

Now, getting to the my gripe about this post.

Here's the reason I'm commenting now. I 100% disagree with you when you say that the original allegations that Trig was not Sarah's baby have be disspelled.

As a skeptic, I say we simply don't have enough information yet to know who was/is pregnant when.

I'm disappointed that you would breezily go along with the latest probable lie.

Elaine Meinel Supkis

CNN: Evangelicals rally behind Palin after pregnancy news

CNN) -- Key evangelical leaders rallied to Sarah Palin's support Monday amid news that her 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, was having a child.

"Before, they were excited about her, with the Down syndrome baby," conservative, anti-tax activist Grover Norquist said. "But now with this, they are over the moon. It reinforces the fact that this family lives its pro-life values."

Palin and John McCain oppose abortion and have supported promoting abstinence in schools, which would seem to make Bristol Palin's pregnancy an inconveniently timed development.

But she is keeping the child, a fact that could make the Alaska governor -- whose candidacy has been enthusiastically embraced by evangelicals who regard her as one of their own -- even more popular among that key GOP voting bloc.

HAHAHAAHA. Gads! We DEFINITELY have reached a point where inside is out and up is down!!!

To celebrate this is NEW. When I was a teenager, this was a sign of moral degradation heavily condemned by the Church. Now, they are proud of older men getting girls pregnant and then convincing the poor babies to have babies....and even out of wedlock?

Wow. The 'Pro-Lifers' murder doctors, harass and cause great pain to women seeking abortions but all is well if THEY have sex with young girls. Isn't this too bizarre. Now, the right wingers are trying desperately to spin this sorry mess as a problem for the Democrats.

This, from the damn party that tried to impeach Clinton for getting a blowjob from an adult woman?

I remember that time! The Focus of the Fetus group run by 'I love storm gods' Dobson kept calling 26 year old Monica, 'A young girl' as if she were 17 years old. Now, they smoothly switch gears and claim a little UNDERAGE girl is an adult and it is OK to pump her full of semen.


I get the impression that every single soap opera writer in the world is going through Sarah Palin's life for story lines.

Sarah is already pure comedy gold. In spite of all this, is she supposed to be a serious candidate?

Elaine Meinel Supkis

Her family is my family: utterly messed up. I grew up ruling class. When I did my hippie thing, I was condemned. When my fundie sisters all got whacked up, that was OK!!!!

How's that for infuriating? This is why I am pissed off at all the blather from the right. I know these clowns. I was raised by such as these. They are all nuttier than drunk squirrels hanging upside down with bats, playing vampire with nuts.

Elaine Meinel Supkis

An older sister of mine is a founder of The Family of God. They are epic child abusers. One abused boy, owned by the other founders, murdered his nanny because he went crazy from all the sex abuse.

These sorts of weirdos are hideous humans. I wasn't invited to my mother's funeral because the fundie members wanted to do it their way. They are beyond creepy.

I can't express my annoyance enough. Seriously, these people are a grave danger to the entire planet earth since they control NUCLEAR BOMBS. And trust me on this one! My family has been deeply involved in the missile side of the nuclear systems.

geoffery battams

THE CAVE in a previous lifetime of long ago i was in a tribe of barbarians who were exstremely barbaric and was a great pleasure for me to kill people and to leave thier bodies in the open for the wolves to day i got sick with a fever and my tribe took me to the earth mothers womb a cave in which to die.into the labrinth i was taken and deposited onto the inner cave floor i realised i was dying i could feel my spirit riseing up and down in my body.the torch bearers started to go and i wanted a light to be left for me but they heard me not .so there i was in this pitch black darkness completely alone and scared .oh i thought here i am here now dying with no one to comfort me and inside i wept .when suddenly i heard a very faint voice look to the light what i said to myself i see no light .look to the light the voice said.ah there it was a very tiny pin prick of pure white light.come to the light of love the light was growing so bright i could barely see.come to the light of love said the voice .no i cried i sobbed i cannot come to you many people have i killed.then from this light swirled all of those i had killed and supreme love compassion and forgiveness was in there hearts.come to the light of i wept i cannot .then all of those i had killed came and kissed my feet my hands my heart and my forehead come our brother to the light of love did you really think your brothers and sisters of the light of love would leave you alone in this darkness and so i swirled out of my body into the ecstacic light of love


A bit early for the sauce, Elaine...

Elaine Meinel Supkis

I can't talk about reality when the entire US is drifting down a river of denial. It is very, very strong. For example, the US public is told over and over again, 'The economy is strong' when it is very, very weak.

Just as we are told that our military is strong when it is utterly ineffective.

The morals issue has been the #1 bed bug for many, many Americans. They honestly wanted a more moral world. But then were side-tracked by bribes and offers of 'EZ money/$0 down game. THIS is the essence of modern America: a desire to have our cake and have sex too and then be 'moral' to boot.


Your right about the river denial and its strength. I feel increasingly isolated as it is near impossible to have a conversation of any substance with anyone that I know. The world I see has lost it's sanity and can't bear to look. What does one do when even their immediate family just does not want to hear much of anything you have to say?


Ow that was quite an article. I don't even have strong feelings about any of the subjects discussed, yet reading through gave me a headache
Elaine you should at least post a cartoon to balance out the gloom!

geoffery battams

people do not want the truth for some strange reason people love to be lied to .i personally like the truth no matter how much it hurts .alastair darling for reasons i suspect out of anger has spoken the truth about the worlds economy .on doing so he is hated despised and spat upon .it did not annoy me at all that he spoke the truth.but what does annoy me is that he then lost faith in himself and tried to backtrack.if i ever say something i know to be true i do not recant.jesus was crucefied for speaking truth people in power bush brown etc are such liars georgia was attacked first yes matey i belive you weapons of mass destruction yes mate i believe you.the weapons inspector did commit suicide honest.i was in my local pub the other day speaking to someone i have known for a while and spoke the total truth to him about the world suddenly this sane rational being turned into a rageing member of the sheeple society and wanted to severly bite i reluctantly say usaully nothing now to anyone because i have realised that speaking the truth to people will generally get you a good kicking or is a sad state when people are generally so corrupted and in such denial that they cannot accept the truth of course it is safe to speak the truth on here honest? my advice is always speak truth to those you love who trust you enough to take it. but dont speak anything to others. tho i find it very hard to lie or to remain silent.if i lie i am lying to myself and if i say nothing i am dishonest to the other person especially if the truth is to be spoken for the other persons welfare and not my ego


Forget the "Christians", Elaine. They cannot even amongst themselves agree on Scripture, which is why there are at least 212 versions of the Bible!

Further, half the "Christians" today are clueless ROMANS, who do not even know their own history. The balance are followers of ex-Romans who put up their knocked off version of the original, lacking any originality themselves.

The real Christians were massacred by Constantine in 300 A.D. The were called Essenes. I am not aware of any surviving Essenes today. Although a few creative types have put up Essene church franchises of late.

The religions today are predominantly more priestcraft than religion. It's just another a racket, like war, like banking, like government. No need to stress Elaine.

Celebrate the fact that you are not asleep, not blind, not stupid, and that you are speaking the truth to those who are willing to have an open mind and listen.

As for the rest, well, they have made their bed, let them sleep in it! It has been said, "Some people change when they see the Light, others when they feel the Heat."

Elaine Meinel Supkis

Every once and a while, I talk about my own rather creepy little world because I am really curious if people are interested or want to understand a rather strange human...since I do hold the world's record of being struck by lightning INDOORS, I have the qualifications for 'weirdness.'

There are many, many religions out there in the world. They have many, many features in common. I love exploring this common features and one of the more mysterious features is how the entire concept of 'money' is very, very, very intimately attached to these common religious beliefs especially the business about deep caves leading to 'the other world'.

I see the Christians in the US merrily going into the Cave of Death thinking they are holy and good and not going into the Cave of Death even as their own Bible talks about how the anti and real Jesus will clash in this horrible electrical mess and destroy everyone except for true believers who join the 'right side' only the Bible itself says, most will be FOOLED and go to the 'wrong side' because they are greedy and self-indulgent!

And here we have, in America, on full display, exactly this sort of thinking! Totally bizarre. How human!


I have never understood the broad concept
of "Born Again Christian" or today I am
Gay but yesterday I was straight? I look at
our role models in the sports industry who
have paternity suits in every city to
politicians who have so many Sexual Skeletons in their closet to the ones on
K-Stree (lobbyists). A few years ago I took
abnormal psychology in college and the concepts of what was right or wrong in that
publication would have the authors rolling over in their graves !!!!!!! We dont have a base in todays society, just abnormality of a confused society. When Britney Spears sister covers the front of people magazine
for being pregnant, we have a problem.....

Elaine Meinel Supkis

When the Roman Empire grew big and fat, suddenly they had 'morality' problems. These were solved by starting the Dark Ages. The severe poverty of that period meant everyone could be moral again.

People can't understand this dynamic, of course. They want to be rich AND moral but also this means going into the Cave of Death and stealing the wealth there, metaphorically speaking. The idea that this causes a collapse in morals is not part of people's belief systems.

This is why everything is so hysterically funny on the right: they are totally insane. They want to be babies, to have Santa give them Chinese toys and to never be responsible for their own behavior. This is why our empire is going bankrupt.


Elaine-your words are so beautiful..........
One Eg. I dont understand.................

Joe Liberman:

Democrat>Independent>Republican (artificially) now he is attending the
Republican party in Minn??????????????????
So Backwards..............................


Hmmm... I was sort-of expecting you'd eventually get around to the wild GOP sex parties. Alas... no such luck.

On Bristol Palin, I have two remarks:

1) That's what abstinence-only sex education gets you, and

2) Leave the kid alone.

Christian W

What I love about this site is that Elaine, and other commentators here to a degree, hold up a mirror to society. Elaine understands about the Shadow aspect of humans, and human unconscious side overall. Unlike other commentators she take these aspects into account when she analyzes trends and political actions. And this is no small part in why she gets it so right more often than not.

As Geoffrey points out few people dare admit the truth to themselves. They spend all their energy holding their facade together and if that facade is threatened they lash out. For this reason many Born Again Christians are very rigid, stiff, hateful and unforgiving people, the polar opposite of what a Christian is supposed to be. They cannot relax because that invites the, in their eyes, personal 'disaster' of having to face their own self.

Elaine is tremendously courageous.


As the governor of Alaska, Ms. Palin sole constitutional position is to uphold the rule of law. Her underage daughter is protected by underage/child-rape statutory laws. The perpetrator under due process charged, trial and sentenced under the law. As the Governor and parent of the underage child, Ms. Palin has decided to ignore her sworn oath of office to uphold the law, and as a parent for not swearing out a warrant for the rapist, she should lose custody of her daughter.


A must see on Sarah Palin video when "7 months" pregnant. She's wearing high heeled boots, drinking coffee, and walking fast with a journalist. This is not a 44yr old pregnant woman with a fifth child! Check out the daughter in the 2006 photo with a tummy bulge. Daughter Bristol was out of school for several months with the "mono." HAHAHAHA.

"[Governor Palin’s] oldest girl is rumored to have actually been the one who had the last baby, the one with Down’s Syndrome. She was taken out of school the last 4 or 5 months of her mother’s pregnancy.

On March 5th, 2008 Alaska’s Republican Governor, Sarah Palin, announced to the media that she was 7 months pregnant with her 5th child. She is currently 44.

Palin’s daughter Bristol is 16 and attends an Anchorage high school. Students who have attended class with her report that she has been out of school for months, claiming a prolonged case of mono.

Palin does not appear pregnant in any recent photographs. The announcement came as quite a shock to people who had worked closely with her, and have been quoted as saying that she did not appear pregnant whatsoever during the prior 7 months."

Alaska Statutory Rape Law:
The age of consent is defined as 16 years old, according to Alaska statutory rape laws. If a person who is at least 18 years old engages in sexual activity with a person who is 16 years old or younger, he or she will be charged with sexual abuse of a minor in the first degree. This charge is a felony in Alaska. And remember, it does not matter if you did not force or threaten the other person into performing this sexual act with you. It is still a crime under Alaska statutory rape laws.
Any person who is 16 years old or older who has sexual intercourse with a minor who is 13-, 14-, or 15-years-old will be charged with sexual abuse of a minor in the second degree. Again, this charge is also a felony.

Is it possible that the daughter is not pregnant. Rather recovering from her last pregnancy, explains the "belly bump and enlarged breasts"?


The "Church" is nothing less than what
Jesus warned us about in the Bible. He said,
"my kingdom is not of this earth". But yet
the core function of the church is earthly
power. And power loves to link up with other
powers, esp political ones.

The Church exists to basically hide the
true meaning of Jesus from his potential
followers. They then follow the Church
instead. Thus we always get the church
howling about having the 10 Commandments
put on public display but nary a word about
the Sermon on the Mount (Beatitudes)


"Check out the daughter in the 2006" Oops, photo from 2007


(CNN) -- Bristol Palin, the 17-year-old daughter of Sarah Palin, is pregnant and will keep the baby and marry the father, a senior aide to Sen. John McCain confirmed to CNN Tuesday.

The above poorly worded sentence implies that the father of Sarah Palin's baby is a senior aide to McCain. You misunderstood.


magic incantation

Elaine, I just read the MOST TRUE THING I HAVE EVER READ ON THE INTERNET and the guy who said it just got run out of government.

You understand magic incantations.

"September 11 is being invoked as a kind of magic incantation to stifle debate, disparage critical analysis and persuade us that we suddenly live in a new world where the old rules cannot apply."

-Canada's Privacy Commissioner George Radwanski

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Excelent Elaine !

Don't forget the book next winter !

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