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JSmith

"In Israel and the USA, anyone who deviates from the strictures hemming in protestors are shot and even killed. ... I came home from my European street battles to discover if anyone here throws even pebbles at the police, they are shot dead. "

Jesus, Elaine - when was the last time we killed any protestors? 1970? Yeah, I know - you remember it like it was yesterday...

You may be the only person outside Russia defending Poots these days. The Euros are as united as they've ever been. Apparently there was a dustup a few weeks ago when the Estonians wanted to move some WW II- era statue of The Unknown Commie out of the middle of Tallinn to some place where they wouldn't have to look at it every day - and the Russians nearly burst a blood vessel.

"They better stop barking at Russia and pointing guns and missiles at Russia's face."

And start kissing Russian ass?

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Smith, I think you actually WANT war. Why else would you dis people who demonstrate against a new missile system for Poland?

As for our police, I invite you to throw a rock at one the next time there is a demonstration in your area. You know full well they will open fire on you. Under our laws, that is all that is required. Give it a test run, Smith.

After each demonstration here in America where the police fired real or rubber bullets on the crowd, they always offer up the same excuse: someone threw a bottle or a Big Mac at us!

The media then try to determine who threw the bottle or the corndog and whether the police mistook it for a grenade or plastic explosives. Of course, they always do and are then "exonerated". This scenario has become almost formulaic here.

As for Israel, I know you would never step foot in that hellhole and test the patience of an Israeli border guard (they look and dress just like the East Germans I saw back in 1984).

Elaine Meinel Supkis

Hell, they shot at demonstrators throwing toilet paper, for example. Or eggs. The violence showered on demonstrators here is way out of proportion to anywhere on earth except for Russia, China and Israel. They, like us, are very brutal.

JSmith

"Why else would you dis people who demonstrate against a new missile system for Poland?"

Where did I do that? (I'd put the missile system in Israel if it was up to me.)

"I invite you to throw a rock at one the next time there is a demonstration in your area."

I don't throw rocks at the police. And neither should you.

"You know full well they will open fire on you. ... After each demonstration here in America where the police fired real or rubber bullets on the crowd..."

Cite an instance of lethal force used at a US demonstration since 1970. (Sorry, rubber bullets don't count.)

"Hell, they shot at demonstrators throwing toilet paper, for example. Or eggs. The violence showered on demonstrators here is way out of proportion to anywhere on earth..."

I'm not sure the First Amendment includes the right to throw stuff at the police. By all means - carry your signs, chant your slogans, sing your songs. But try to act like citizens of a first-world country while you're doing it.

DeVaul

"(Sorry, rubber bullets don't count.)"

Sorry, cracking someone over the head with a baton does not count, kicking them in the stomache area does not count, hitting them with the butt of a rifle does not count, kneeling on their necks does not count and on and on and on....

Since your definition of "lethal force" seems to be limited to spraying people with real bullets or a flamethrower, I think I will just pass on this subject.

I know what I saw on TV only just recently when Hispanic workers demonstrated in Los Angeles. The blows landing on people trying to run away were potentially lethal from a medical point of view.

But yours is solely a political point of view, so we will just have to drop the matter.

"I'm not sure the First Amendment includes the right to throw stuff at the police."

It most certainly does! That is why it is followed immediately by the Second Amendment. The founding fathers were intelligent enough to know that any king, dictator or whatever could deploy an army or militia to provent the excersise of the First Amendment right in any meaningful way, thus the Second Amendment, which gives us (the people) the right to enforce our First Amendment rights by force if necessary.

The First and Second Amendments are rights that belong to the PEOPLE, not to the GOVERNMENT. To the PEOPLE, not the KING.

Your description of America as a first world country conveniently leaves out all the things we do to third world countries and our own citizens, but that matter speaks for itself.

Also, the question is not whether we are a "first world country" or a second or third, but whether we are a democratic republic. That is the only question that matters.

JSmith

"Since your definition of "lethal force" seems to be limited to spraying people with real bullets or a flamethrower, I think I will just pass on this subject."

Followed by seven more paragraphs. If that's "passing"... I'd hate to see a subject you decided NOT to pass on.

"Since your definition of "lethal force" seems to be limited to..."

My definition of "lethal force" is limited to force that is... lethal. (Like, DUH...)

"The blows landing on people trying to run away were potentially lethal from a medical point of view."

Kill anyone, did they? Didn't? OK, then!

"That is why it is followed immediately by the Second Amendment."

I don't find an unrestricted right to throw stuff (or shoot at) the police in the Second Amendment, either.

Most cops aren't particularly thrilled about demonstration duty. Mosty lefties miss the fact that the police are wage-earners themselves. So when some douchebag throws a rock or a bottle and the police get a bit irritated... I can understand that.

DeVaul

Yes, Smith, I know it is not a good idea to throw things at the police or militia forces, and that is why I never have, although you implied I did.

Soviet serfs, Chinese peasants, Palestinians, Iraqis, peace demonstraters (anywhere), equal justice demonstrators, etc. etc. all know it is not a good idea to throw things at the forces of the State.

Your advice has not added one iota of new information to human knowledge. Congratulations!

If I need to know something that everyone else on the planet already knows, I will come to you.

Elaine Meinel Supkis

They not only throw rocks, they fight ferociously. Look at the recent riots in China! They burn cars and smash everything. This is a show of power just as strong as the State showing power.


And the State kills in return and we see no riots in America now because everyone knows the State will kill. But eventually there will be riots. This is painfully obvious. Just wait when the rich try to scoot off with all their zillions leaving the people here to pay the red ink the rich ran up.

JSmith

"This is a show of power just as strong as the State showing power."

Don't flatter them - remember Tianmen? That ws a show of state power.

"we see no riots in America now because everyone knows the State will kill."

Or people have more entertainment options now than they did in the 60s.

"But eventually there will be riots."

Want to put a timestamp on that? Or is that another prediction that will be just as fresh in ten years as it is today?

Elaine Meinel Supkis

When money ceases buying stuff (aka, bad inflation coupled with the realization both parties are corrupt).

DeVaul

That is a pretty good timestamp. It is fairly easy to gauge how close we are to that point. There are roadsigns along the way letting us know we are getting closer.

Here is one: The new "Forever Stamp"

Why would our government produce such a thing unless it knew in advance that the price of stamps will accelerate rapidly?

This stamp basically says: "Buy me now before I cost more tommorrow!"

Elaine Meinel Supkis

They can collapse the value of money too. I will write about that later but am going to NYC so won't have time till later.

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