May 7, 2008
Elaine Meinel Supkis
It looks like Hillary Clinton has to slink off stage to lick her wounds and wound her husband. She is cooked. Zogby says so. And the ruling elites meet in DC to discuss shoving around the gullible US voters. They muse about the problem of Ron Paul and worry that he might give them some trouble. Meanwhile, Russia, China and Japan have had increasingly fruitful tri party meetings that are generating deals, contracts and energy business and all three are very worried or severely annoyed at all the talk in the US about bomb, bomb, bombing Iran. And a bus is blown up in a possible terrorist attack in Shanghai. This doesn't make the news except briefly in China.
Clinton 'heading for the exit'
By John Zogby
Where do we go from here? My understanding is that probably today, but certainly within 48 hours, about 30 super-delegates will endorse Mr Obama. That should give him further momentum.John Zogby: 'there is no chance' Clinton can win
Mathematically, this will widen the gap between him and Mrs Clinton. He has a bigger share of the popular vote, more pledged delegates, and will now overtake her in terms of super-delegates too.
I honestly believe that she will find a way to get out of the race before the next primaries - so as to not hurt her future and to not be blamed for hurting Mr Obama and his chances in the general election.
Here are the reasons:
There really is no mathematical chance for her to win
Her campaign is virtually out of money - and it will be difficult for her to raise significant amounts of money after last night
Not enough happened last night to give her any hope, so continuing would only give the appearance of wanting to damage Mr Obama
And we can all wave bye-bye to this wonderful lady who tried to pretend she was a working class broad and not a $125 million dollar bribe taker. We must remember, this $125 million in bribes was NOT fund raising to run for office. This is money the Clintons got for making speeches or writing stuff. Neither Clinton is a wonderful speaker. Indeed, I find both to be grating and much prefer most anyone else. When Bill Clinton lies, for example, his voice gets all weird and it sounds like two voices are speaking. When Bush is lying, he babbles backwards as is appropriate for demon-possessed people. But Bill Clinton does the double voice so beloved of all movies and animes when the Devil is speaking. No, this isn't a golden-tongued orator who keeps us spellbound. And the places this creature made his very expensive speeches were not where masses of people were gathered.
Nope, they were all at dining situations where everyone eats caviar and cannibalize babies, crunching away, drinking fine wines. They didn't even bother to listen unless he was explaining how his Senator wife would protect and treasure pirates. Then they applaud.
But the topic of all this money barely made the surface in this election. This is because all of these people who bribed Clinton to shut up also are pouring their money into all THREE candidates. They desperately need to keep anyone running for office to be their best, best friend. Being fiends, they will run over to Obama and tell him how he, too, can be a multi millionaire. They don't need to do this with McCain. McCain is one of them already just like Mitt Romney is a full-scale pirate. Talking about pirates eating and listening to dumb speeches.....
Luminaries at the Trilateral Commission meeting in Washington expressed confidence that they own all three major presidential candidates, who, despite political posturing, will support sovereignty-surrendering measures such as NAFTA and the “North American Union.”
THESE meetings do NOT make the news. Never, ever do the mainstream media report any of the Ruling Elite meetings. Davos gets reported but even that is very, very thin. Americans are supposed to not notice all of this and one way to do this is to put it all in the Cone of Silence, this huge, huge cavern where all sorts of things happen or people who can't be heard hang out. Indeed, the mainstream media will mock anyone who notices the ruling elites and their money making ways. This is all imaginary, of course. So, here is the meeting of corrupt minds, trying to figure out how to escape a global inflation/banking collapse. I wish I was invited. It could have given me a laugh or two. Perhaps they could pay me a million dollars a speech like they paid Bill Clinton!
While they are confident they can deal with any “potential president,” the Trilateralists paid huge tribute to Ron Paul in an equally large twist of irony, by expressing alarm that he is causing “significant future damage.”They expressed concern that Paul’s rallies have attracted multitudes of young people who are getting “their political education.” They want Republicans to pressure Paul to drop out now and stop his education rallies. This assignment was given to Thomas Foley, former U.S. House speaker.
They know perfectly well, how to silence people. Power, as Mao mordantly noted in his Little Red Book, grows out of the barrel of an assassin's gun. They knew that the Cone of Silence would prevent 90% of Americans to never hear anything Ron says. But they are as worried about the powers of the internet as China' dictators. Ron Paul's ability to raise up crowds and be heard is due to people seeing his speeches and confrontations on You Tube, for example. I watch these and am very amused by his persistence and brio. The videos showing the GOP desperately trying to keep out any Ron Paul supporters from caucuses are illuminating. The farce of the US electoral process is clear when Ron's supporters storm the barricades.
The rulers don't mind socialism, by the way. Just as they heartily support fascism. But one thing they hate with a passion is anyone talking about MONEY itself. Anyone discussing the banking system, the way money is made, the process or anything, is a danger. They will literally do anything to stop this. At first, they thought, mocking anyone who does this and calling them 'conspiracy nuts' would do the trick. Of course, they throw into the mix all sorts of goofy faux conspiracies like the lunatic idea that Bush and his inept minions planted mini nuclear bombs in the WTC and then took the immense trouble to hire some Arabs and Egyptians to hijack a bunch of jets and fly them into the WTC and Pentagon, etc. So off people run, on incredible and bizarre rabbit chases into the maze where they look foolish and can be laughed at.
But Ron Paul is focused on what matters. One doesn't need any imagination nor any convoluted trickery when explaining how bankers make money out of thin air and how the speculators use pirate coves to enrich themselves and drain nations of wealth. People explaining the truth of our financial systems are terrifying to the rulers! This is their nightmare: the populace waking up to danger and realizing easy debt=slavery and death.
The Trilaterals got down to real work on Saturday, April 26, with a high-powered panel called “U.S. Foreign and Domestic Policy: Broad Outlines for a New Administration.”It was presided over by journalistic pimp David Gergen, who will write nothing about TC in his magazine, U.S News and World Report. Also participating were Kenneth Duberstein, former White House chief of staff for President Ronald Reagan; Strobe Talbot, president of the Brookings Institution and former deputy secretary of state; and Joseph Nye, former assistant secretary of defense. Henry Kissinger, former secretary of state and long-time Bilderberg leader, was present and listed as a participant. But a TC staff member crossed his name out. Some speculated he had throat problems.
This panel had these orders for the next president: increase foreign aid across the board because “America does not pay its fair share,” pay up the arrears in UN dues, allow as many immigrants into the United States as want to come and provide “amnesty” for illegal aliens already here.
Little, if anything, was said about the fact that American taxpayers pay one-fourth of the UN’s operating costs and one-third of the cost of 130 “peacekeeping missions” or the fact that immigrants from South America depress wages here and the average immigrant family costs the government thousands of dollars a year in welfare, health and other “benefits.”
Kissinger is an indicator: when I heard on the radio, he was going to head the 9/11 Commission, I stopped and laughed and laughed. Cover up time! The elite had opened the door to bin Laden's people so they could succeed. Tracing this conspiracy to let terrorists attack was the job of the 9/11 Commission and when the President put Kissinger in charge, this was an open admission, they were guilty of COMPLICITY. Which means they all should be arrested and charged with treason.
Normally, the only way to do this is to defeat the dictators in war or have a revolution. We had neither. They found a better tool to fix things and dropped Kissinger. But he continues to ooze his lubbery mass about the world stage, drooling Germanic promises of world domination.
I am glad the reporter who published this story is as angry as I am over the business of the US being strong armed into paying for everything. But the real payments are NOT the pennies for 'aid'. It is TRADE. The US must be the final destination of all trade! And in return, we get endless easy loans. Earlier, I published the Mad Magazine cartoons showing the US eagle being sucked dry by EASY LENDING. They knew in 1975, easy loans were fatal. And they know this today. This is very much an item that is kept in the Cone of Silence. I must be one of the very few people who talks about the need for EXPENSIVE loans. Myself, Ron Paul and Volcker, that is. Note that Volcker was not invited to speak...hehehe.
Now let's go to Asia to see what the hell is going on:
Japan's Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda arrives in Moscow today to meet President Vladimir Putin and President-elect Dmitry Medvedev, deliberate on forthcoming G8 summit in Hokkaido and clarify new power configuration of the neighboring country.The main thing is to establish personal contracts, there are no plans to sign any agreements, a source with Japan’s Foreign Ministry said, specifying that Yasuo Fukuda will separately meet President Vladimir Putin and President-elect Dmitry Medvedev in Moscow.
The highlight of the meeting between Medvedev and Fukuda will be the summit that Hokkaido hosts July 7 through 9. During this event, the leaders of developed nations are expected to find some methods to combine the tasks of economic growth with expensive actions of environmental protection. EU calls for introducing new obligations for each state aimed at drastic reduction in greenhouse gas emissions, while the United States avoid any promises, saying it will be able to contain the emission growth only by 2025.
The Asian powers NEVER go traveling unless they have a bunch of contracts to sign! They are looking for economic and political advantages. Japan has been very alarmed as Hu of China roamed the world with his big briefcase, making deals that cut out Japan. Now, Japan is trying its hand at the same. The fright that China gave Japan when Russia decided to funnel Russian energy to China, was tremendous. A wake up call! Swiftly, Japan rushed to Moscow to plead their own case. Hu and Fukuda have been chatting a lot lately. They can both see the US market is floundering and dying. Both want to keep their own economies afloat. So they are triangulating as well as cooperating. This is why the ruler of Japan did NOT join in the 'Bash China' Olympic flame out. In return, China is playing nice with Japan. China is also courting the Dalai Lama.
Hu upbeat on Tibet, gas fields
Chinese President Hu Jintao on Sunday told Japanese journalists he hoped his government's negotiations this week with a special envoy to the Dalai Lama would lead to positive results.Hu said progress would require not only "spoken promises, but actual deeds," such as stopping calls for Tibetan independence and related violence.
Informal talks between China and the special envoy to the Dalai Lama began Sunday in Shenzhen, Guangdong Province.
In a change from usual practice by Chinese officials, Hu referred to the Tibetan Buddhist spiritual leader by his full title, rather than an abbreviated form.
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Hu said he was optimistic that China would offer Japan another giant panda. He referred to a request from the Japanese government following the death last week of Ling Ling, the last surviving giant panda at Tokyo's Ueno Zoo.
And here is the runner up in the Chinese TV version of 'American Idol'. She is doing a lovely rendition of 'Don't Cry For Me, Argentina.'
I have drawn cartoons about how China uses pandas for diplomatic purposes. This offer signals favors and will be returned by the Japanese. I have also said in the past, the Japanese actually love these sorts of negotiations. The negotiations with the Americans are no fun since Japan runs circles around the US. We blunder about, fearful the Japanese won't love us. But they have contempt for us due to this pathetic need for love. And again, the ruling elites in Europe have a totally different agenda from the Americans who follow Kissinger and both the US and EU are clueless about Asians.
Fukuda, Hu promote 'strategic' interests
Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda and visiting Chinese President Hu Jintao signed a joint statement Wednesday on promoting a mutually beneficial strategic relationship without referring to "apologies" or "reflection" over Japan's wartime actions in China.
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During a joint news conference after the signing ceremony, the two leaders indicated that major progress had been made on the sensitive issue of joint development of gas fields in the East China Sea."We were in agreement that an early agreement should be reached after hammering out the details," Fukuda said.
Hu added, "The total picture for resolution of the issue has come into view. We agreed to accelerate the discussions in order to reach an agreement as soon as possible."
I can feel the love. Note that China has no longer any need to harp about WWII and Japan is very careful not to annoy China about WWII. Japan insulted the US repeatedly about WWII and the US blundered about, ignoring these insults. To the relief of Japan, China reacted violently each time. So they kissed and made up! I do hope someone in our bumbling State Department figures this out. It will be too late soon.
Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Qin Gang's Regular Press Conference on May 6, 2008
Qin Gang: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I would like to start with an announcement.The Chinese Government and people follow closely the strong cyclone that hit some parts of Myanmar and left grave casualties on May 2. President Hu Jintao, Premier Wen Jiabao, and Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi have sent messages to their Myanmar counterparts respectively to convey deep solicitude and sincere condolences to the Government and people of Myanmar. They expressed their confidence that the Myanmar people will overcome the grave difficulties caused by the cyclone and bring life and work back to normal at an early date.
China and Myanmar are friendly neighbors. The Chinese Government has decided to offer the first batch of financial and physical emergency aids worth one million US dollars to Myanmar so as to help it with the rehabilitation.
The disaster-relief materials will be shipped to Yangon by air at the fastest possible pace.
The Chinese Government cares for the Chinese nationals in Myanmar. The Chinese leaders have expressed solicitude to the staff in Chinese Embassy and Consulates as well as Chinese students and nationals and those with Chinese enterprises in Myanmar. The Foreign Ministry launched the emergency response mechanism immediately, and maintains close communication with the Embassy in Myanmar. The work of the Embassy has returned to normal, all staff there are safe and the damaged parts of the premises is being repaired. Chinese students and the rest of the Chinese in Myanmar are all safe. The Embassy there has not received any report of Chinese casualties.
China has news conferences which are ignored in the West. In the middle of this one, a reporter asked about the bus that was blown up in Shanghai on Sunday. 'What the hell???' I said. I looked in the news and there were exactly two stories: one in Malaysia and one in Xinhua. Queer, that. The death toll from the typhoon that hit Burma climbs and is over 60,000. This is a terrible catastrophe. Today, Tokyo was rocked by two 6+ earthquakes and little happened. This same typhoon, if it hit Japan, would cause very little damage.
But poor Burma! The dictators there have reduced everyone to total poverty! Like in New Orleans, the masses live in poor, collapsing housing that is easily destroyed in violent storms. Shanty towns are not much protection from wind, rain or earthquakes. The Chinese will be allowed to bring in aid because they have no desire to overthrow the government any more than the US wishes to overthrow the despotic Saudi Arabian royals.
Q: Iran rejected the basket of incentive measures proposed by the six-nation Foreign Ministers' meeting on the Iranian nuclear issue. Do you believe it's the time for tougher sanctions against Iran?A: The six-nation Foreign Ministers' meeting on the Iranian nuclear issue was held in London on May 2. Chinese Assistant Foreign Minister He Yafei attended the meeting as the representative of Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi.
Participants reiterated their commitment to the diplomatic solution. After in-depth discussions, they reached consensus on the resumption plan of the talks.
China has been upholding the international non-proliferation system and the peaceful solution of the issue through diplomatic negotiations so as to maintain peace and stability in the Middle East. This is in the interest of all parties. As a signatory party to NPT, Iran has the right for peaceful use of nuclear energy, provided that it fulfills corresponding international obligations.
China has been devoted to mediation and made unremitting efforts in this regard. Under the current situation, China hopes relevant parties to intensify diplomatic efforts and promote the early launch of the negotiations with a view to seeking a long-term proper settlement of the issue in a comprehensive way.
The US will NEVER get permission from either Russia or China or even Pakistan, to invade or bomb Iran. We must give this up. But then, McCain is desperate to bomb, bomb, bomb Iran and Hillary want to annihilate Iran in a nuclear holocaust. This is not what Obama has said so I support him over the other two. Thank you.
The Queen and King of ClintonWorld won't be slinking away, unfortunately, as they've already proved this afternoon.
Thank you for your articles. Condolences to you and your family upon Sparky's departure from earth. He's smart, so I imagine he has learned quickly to manipulate his new wings. He'll meet many a loved creature up there...flying, riding comets...enjoying themselves while they wait for us to join them.
Posted by: Ignorant Old Lady | May 07, 2008 at 07:13 PM
OK, I absolutely agree that the single most hidden information in the Cone of Silence is the control of money.
Everything else (elections, etc) is just a puppet show to keep the masses entertained.
But here is the challenge to you; most all the nations in the world (except Iran and a few others) have a secretive central bank controlled by someone; who are they?
You obviously have a complex, sophisticated view of the world. Do you have a placeholder in your mind for who they are or is it above your paygrade (HAHAHA!), too hard, not important, etc, etc?
Committee of 300?
Rothschilds?
Royal Crown?
Babylonians?
Anyone who mentions UFOs, Reptiles etc will be banished as an obvious disinformationalist.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/committeof300.htm
This committee of 300 is modeled after the British East India Company's Council of 300, founded by the British aristocracy in 1727. Most of its immense wealth arose out of the opium trade with China. This group is responsible for the phony drug wars here in the U.S. These phony drug wars were to get us to give away our constitutional rights. Asset forfeiture is a prime example, where huge assets can be seized without trail and no proof of guilt needed. Also the Committee of 300 long ago decreed that there shall be a smaller-much smaller-and better world, that is, their idea of what constitutes a better world.
The myriads of useless eaters consuming scarce natural resources were to be culled. Industrial progress supports population growth. Therefore the command to multiply and subdue the earth found in Genesis had to be subverted. This called for an attack upon Christianity; the slow but sure disintegration of industrial nation states; the destruction of hundreds of millions of people, referred to by the Committee of 300 as "surplus population, " and the removal of any leader who dared to stand in the way of the Committee's global planning to reach the foregoing objectives. Not that the U.S. government didn't know, but as it was part of the conspiracy, it helped to keep the lid on information rather than let the truth be known. Queen, Elizabeth II, is the head of the Committee of 300.
The Committee of 300 looks to social convulsions on a global scale, followed by depressions, as a softening-up technique for bigger things to come, as its principal method of creating masses of people all over the world who will become its "welfare" recipients of the future. The committee appears to base much of its important decisions affecting mankind on the philosophy of Polish aristocrat, Felix Dzerzinski, who regarded mankind as being slightly above the level of cattle. As a close friend of British intelligence agent Sydney Reilly (Reilly was actually Dzerzinski's controller during the Bolshevik Revolution's formative years), he often confided in Reilly during his drinking bouts. Dzerzinski was, of course, the beast who ran the Red Terror apparatus. He once told Reilly, while the two were on a drinking binge, that "Man is of no importance. Look at what happens when you starve him. He begins to eat his dead companions to stay alive. Man is only interested in his own survival. That is all that counts. All the Spinoza stuff is a lot of rubbish." (Dr. John Coleman)
Posted by: GK | May 07, 2008 at 07:47 PM
Well, Queen Elizabeth and I are related and my mom looks and worse, talks like her.
We were at the Battle of Hastings as well as the Crusades and even more amusingly, invading France periodically.
My French ancestors were first for the King and then, during the Protestant/Catholic wars, banished. Became pirates and then colonized the New World.
The 300 is actually much more 30,000. The guys who actually go about IN PUBLIC and are in the news are the tip of the old iceberg. The interlocking marriage/sex/affairs of this squishy mass of upper class smoochers is extensive and funny. Newcomers are allowed in only so we can get their money.
Frankly, when I was young, my parents wouldn't take me to Saudi Arabia but I was allowed to jet set in Europe. You could spot us; we didn't look nice but we always got our way. We were often hippies in the sixties but NEVER arrested by the police. I was arrested twice and each time, the police abashedly let me go. They didn't want to mess with me.
The key here is, 'who do you know and do they want to kill you?' Pop idols and movie stars get to run with the herd but they only get entre when they MARRY the 'right person'. Otherwise, they are an entertaining surround system.
And within the extended 'ancient regime' families is a lot of hatred...FOR EACH OTHER. Like in any big family, the interfamiliar battles are far, far worse than outside battles. People on the outside are fought only if they interfere with the jollies of the rulers.
But inside: whoooboy! Snarling, snapping battles and betrayals! If you want to know how nasty, read the history of the Byzantine Empire. It is exactly like that except we can't poke out each other's eyes anymore.
Posted by: Elaine Meinel Supkis | May 07, 2008 at 08:16 PM
I keep telling you, lovely lady: FUCK arresting them. Execute them.
Also, there seems to be a battle brewing between those who would "be fuitful and multiply" until humans overun the Earth like locusts, and those who would wipe out billions in their quest to create a permanent global slave class to serve their wirthless self-styled-elitist asses.
Execute the latter too. With extreme prejudice. As to the former, a simple revamping of the educational system, so that it actually educates, as opposed to indoctrinating, will fix their little red wagons for good.
Posted by: John | May 08, 2008 at 12:08 AM
What a lovely chinese girl singing. Thank you for that.
Posted by: Bruce Thorneloe | May 08, 2008 at 01:16 AM
Yes, that is why I picked her video. The Chinese are increasingly cosmopolitan. I remember the dark days when Madame Mao ran things into the ground even further than her husband.
Posted by: Elaine Meinel Supkis | May 08, 2008 at 08:07 AM
"they were all at dining situations where everyone eats caviar and cannibalize babies, crunching away, drinking fine wines."
You say that like there's something wrong with good wine. What do you drink - Boone's Farm?
"They expressed concern that Paul’s rallies have attracted multitudes of young people who are getting “their political education.” "
For whatever that's worth. Back in the day, a major social goal was to lower the voting age to 18 (so guys could vote on whether or not they got drafted.) By and by, the War ended... and the so-called Youth Vote hasn't amounted to diddly ever since.
Paul's supporters are loud, but few compared to what he'd need to have an effect in November.
Posted by: JSmith | May 08, 2008 at 08:22 AM
Hi Elaine
WTC 7 and the Pentagon attack? Come on woman *snap snap*. I believe you have TON of common sense along with the financial wiz stuff. Why don't you apply it to those two events alone and tell us what you think.
Do you have any ancestors that weren't barbarous like the rest? I'd like to hear about them more often too.
Thanks for all your work here. It's helped me a lot in the last couple months. I read almost every day. I love the animal friends too.
Posted by: Chris Q. | May 08, 2008 at 08:28 AM
Chris, the difference between COMPLICITY and 'Doing the attacks' is important. I know that there are many people who dearly would love to believe the system works directly. But it does not. Just as they NEVER send assassins to kill in the US, they ENCOURAGE AND ENABLE assassins!
We DO assassinate overseas just as we directly blow up buildings overseas. Can you understand the difference? It is like the Mafia bosses: they themselves, don't kill a fly. They do make hits but at one or two removes. See? It is very simple, I hope.
Posted by: Elaine Meinel Supkis | May 08, 2008 at 11:10 AM
«Of course, they throw into the mix all sorts of goofy faux conspiracies like the lunatic idea that Bush and his inept minions planted mini nuclear bombs in the WTC and then took the immense trouble to hire some Arabs and Egyptians to hijack a bunch of jets and fly them into the WTC and Pentagon, etc. So off people run, on incredible and bizarre rabbit chases into the maze where they look foolish and can be laughed at.» — Elaine
Well you know that it was I who brought up the conjecture about micro-nukes blowing up the towers. One of the towers tilted over 2/3rds of the way up and would have crashed into the street, except it simply exploded in mid-air. Numerous experts say there should have been large chunks of steel and concrete in the rubble, but instead, the buildings turned into fine dust and molten metal. It would be simple for anyone with sufficient technical information to electronically take control of the airliners via radio on the ground. Etc.
I never said that the Bush administration even knew of the pending attacks, and there is a very good chance that they didn't. Some people suggest that foreign powers did it all. Others suggest that a hidden coup occurred. I have no idea about those issues. I merely said that from a purely technical perspective, something like micro-nukes had to be involved. Too bad all the crime scene evidence was hauled away almost instantly. It does appear that over 50% think it could not have been done by 19 guys with box cutters.
If something like that happens again, it will be most helpful if it is widely regarded as not the work of whoever Bush wants to invade. My analysis, however, is purely technical. People have doubted my technical analyses in the past. It nearly always turned out that I was right.
Posted by: blues | May 08, 2008 at 06:25 PM
«Anyone who mentions UFOs, Reptiles etc will be banished as an obvious disinformationalist.» — GK
Look GK, I only disclosed the fact that the earth is ruled by alien Reptilians who live in vast underground tunnels because I feel compelled to be honest. I also have this theory that there exist some people who just cannot take a little joke.
Posted by: blues | May 08, 2008 at 06:47 PM
I don't know. I think alien reptiles would be a lot nicer :) My own reptilian pets liked me and were perfectly nice. They mostly slept in the warm sun or hunted bugs in my bedroom.
Now camels can be very irritable. Even more so, polar bears. Maybe sharks. Or black widows.
About the WTC: its disintegration was due to it having lots and lots and lots of cement. No building on earth comes even close to it when it comes to amount of cement. Not one of the latest giants in Arabia or Asia.
Posted by: Elaine Meinel Supkis | May 08, 2008 at 08:39 PM
Hey, Elaine,
Time to stop worrying about the helpless "CIA." Start worrying about the damn Reptilians. They are the ones who will get you.
Posted by: blues | May 08, 2008 at 09:47 PM
Who is "they" Elaine? Who are "we"? Who is the "Mafia"? We're going to compare 9/11 and a mob hit? Talk about being simplistic. No, it is not very simple! World Trade Center 7, a 47 story steel building, collapsed on it's own at about 5 p.m. the same day. After a few fires?! Have you looked at pictures of the Pentagon after the strike? Do you or anyone else want to tell me that a 757 hit the side of that wall? Prove it! Where are the engines holes?! Forget the two towers for a while folks. It is still too much of a shocker. Focus on the WTC 7, the Pentagon, and look at it people! Stop asking who the culprits were and look at the PHYSICS. If you can't deal with it, the problem may be you can't see how big the lie is. Somewhere, somehow you are probably too comfortable with the lie itself.
Remember tougher you are, the harder you fall. That goes double for those who posture Elaine.
Posted by: Chris Q. | May 08, 2008 at 10:44 PM
This is so sad, Chris. Physics: one thing the Truthers refuse to understand is exactly that: physics. All the garbage I have read about the WTC that pretends there were bombs, etc, always leaves out several key things.
One is, all bombs are very, very loud and BRIGHT. And they all operate by making buildings collapse from the bottom, not the top.
Second: cement. The cement levels of the WTC, the greatest on earth for any buildings ever, is ignored for a reason. This screws up the bomb theories.
Third: volcanos dumping dust and pumice on roofs can collapse even huge buildings. So it is with cement dust and rocks. This is why meteorite strikes are deadly, too: they dump tons of dirt and debris on top of things and no roof near one of these events will stand, either.
BUT NO ONE LISTENS TO ME! HAHAHA.
Posted by: Elaine Meinel Supkis | May 10, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Mob hits, volcano ash, and meteorite impacts? Talk about DOOM. WORLD TRADE CENTER...BUILDING NUMBER SEVEN. Google it. You don't know what you are talking about. Even your retorts are lacking here which shows you never really wondered. There were buildings closer that did not collapse because of...cement dust? The twin towers dropped so perfectly in their footings that the windows in this building were still intact! Building 7 was an entirely different structure. Check out all the "G" entity offices it held. Your reluctance to even look at that building seperately from the towers is troubling. The buildings were imploded not blown up...there is a HUGE(there's that word again) difference. DEMO, nothing more or less. Google William Rodriguez. Warning to Elaine, he is of Puerto Rican descent. The folly of man my ass.
Truther, me? Ho now with the labels. I've just got serious questions like a lot of others and we're tired of listening to establishment characters like yourself gloss it over. Like it or not you are, doubly. It seeps through that independent-east-coast-same-as-it-ever-was-thing you do. The revolution and heads a rolling B.S. you fling around is again just that, bottom of the wine glass nonsense. Get out of the way of something much more specific and targeted or get hurt in someway. I'm sure someone like you has a ticket out somehow. I'm also pretty sure most of my ancestry got out the way, if you know what I mean.
Posted by: Chris Q. | May 11, 2008 at 09:17 PM
Religions are the same. The need to cling to a belief system no matter how strange is a deep part of the human brain. If all the truthers who are upset about 'bombs in the WTC' business were really operating on the normal political plane, they would not be sitting around the web playing 'Elvis is alive' type of games.
It irritates me greatly to be harassed when talking about say, bin Laden who is a very real person and who is very connected to the Bush clan. This fact alone condemns the Bushes for being possible traitors. There is no need to prove junk about 'bombs' to say, 'Bush is a traitor.'
BUT the bombs garbage lets Bush OFF THE DAMN HOOK. See? It is not so hard to understand. There is zero proof and no rational explanation for the bomb business while there is urgent need to understand why Atta and his crew plotted 9/11 in Florida, a stone's throw from a Bush family compound AND taking flying lessons at a base surrounded by retired CIA agents.
Please pester me about that! I love to talk about those things.
But for some goofy reason, ask DARPA about brain washing, the 9/11 movement has been totally sidetracked by this bizarre need to talk ONLY about the 'bombs in the buildings' stuff! Gads! Wake up and smell the coffee!
Posted by: Elaine Meinel Supkis | May 15, 2008 at 05:06 PM