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Wow, Elaine, "dynamite" post-we must be on same wave length, as I read this right after sending my email to you. And the excerpt from Salome was wonderful...when I first heard about carbon credits, something set off my bull shit detector, but didnt know why. Thanks for the exigesis. And as for the more profound philosophical insights into the Cave of Death, etc, reminds me of this quote in "The Archdruid Report" last week from Theodore Roszak: (speaking of modern industrial culture) "We will all, every man, woman, and child of us, know fifty-seven clever ways to [copulate] before we know one humanly becoming way to die."
All I can say is, Advaita Vedanta makes more sense with every passing day.


Climate care, one of the earlier players in the carbon offset market, has been purchased by J. P. Morgan. I think that pretty much sums up what carbon trading is all about.

Story here:

Elaine Meinel Supkis

Oh wow. I missed that story about JP Morgan! Thanks for the link. Yes, Daliwood, as usual, you find a gem.

Jim Smith

Elaine, I wonder if in your youth you read and subconciously absorbed the concept of the Cave of Death from Gore Vidal's early novel "Messiah"? In it, an American Messiah (an undertaker orignally, no less) establishes a death cult in the U.S.A. then virtually world-wide. I recall it as a fascinating exercise in promoting mass thinking by way of the media. The Cavites eventually forced out established religions and took over government. The concepts of life versus death gets a thorough workout by Vidal and his thinking then was not encumbered by the bitterness evident in later works.

Thanks for your thoughts on carbon trading. Up until now, it didn't make much sense to me, but I had thought it a relatively benign effort.


Does anyone believe me yet that McCain/Lieberman have been selected to lead us peasants down the Carbon Hell path?

Or at least until McCain gets 'Reagan-ed'?

Check out this Washington Post/CIA debrief:

An unprecedentedly radical government grab for control of the American economy will be debated this week when the Senate considers saving the planet by means of a cap-and-trade system to ration carbon emissions. The plan is co-authored (with John Warner) by Joe Lieberman, an ardent supporter of John McCain, who supports Lieberman's legislation and recently spoke about "the central facts of rising temperatures, rising waters and all the endless troubles that global warming will bring."

Elaine Meinel Supkis

I was hit by a very big, very nasty lightning bolt when only 5 years old. I died and came back. This was the school I learned about Death. What shocked me [wrong word, I know] was that there were these very small demonic creatures there in the Outer Darkness that controlled all the world's wealth. They told me this. I startled them, I guess.

I am writing a story about that sort of thing. No one taught me anything about this. Except for perhaps fairy tales and such. But in 1955, I didn't know very many fairy tales. I sought them out afterwards.


Elaine a guru? Peter you futhermucker, why wreck a sort of good thing? And no one shows anyone how to die, your own will carries you to the door. Sit on that Mister Hyde Park.

Elaine Meinel Supkis

CCQ, Peter said really nice things. I thank him for that. Better than a slap in the face with a dead fish, eh?

When I was young, I said, 'Death is when you can't take the pain anymore.'


My, my... that article was certainly wide-ranging (which is a nice way of saying "all over the map.")

Kyoto (the beast that spawned carbon credits), is, you'll no doubt recall, coming to an end. Look for a number of players to say, "The hell with it."

"If anyone is not burning fossil fuels right now, they are POOR PEOPLE. "

That is so: fossil fuels are expensive. The world's poor burn wood, dung, things like that. Google "Asian brown cloud".

Elaine Meinel Supkis

JSmith, you are talking about how I used to live in the tent complex.

And the smug attitudes here: eventually people living in unsustainable houses in America will learn about how the other half of humanity lives. No airconditioning, for starters.


"JSmith, you are talking about how I used to live in the tent complex."

No, I'm not. And you know I'm not.

There is just a bit of difference between not using airconditioning and cooking chapatties over a fire of dried cow dung which one has gathered from the streets of Kolkata. And burning wood in a stove of even moderate efficiency is different from burning it in an open fire.

Did you google "Asian brown cloud"? A great deal of pollution comes from burning biomass, and the people who do live by burning biomass have lots more to worry about than carbon offsets.

Pollution is a first-world concern, not a third-world concern. The problem is that pollution is much more a third-world problem.


I did once read about the enormous about of smoke produced by all the clay ovens in India cooking chappatis and rice and whatever. Still, they are at least just trying to survive.

They are not dumping huge truckloads of toxic waste from making plastic toys into a nearby river where it will poison innocent children. That is first world type pollution, and it is produced by first world type people, not subsistence farmers.

A bit different.


"I did once read about the enormous about of smoke produced by all the clay ovens in India cooking chappatis and rice and whatever."

There's that, and also slash-and-burn agriculture as practiced in Indonesia, the Amazon basin, etc.

"Still, they are at least just trying to survive."

Which is why no one wants to say anything about it. It's not politically correct to criticise the third world; it is politically correct to criticise the first world.

>A bit different.

Yes, in that atmospheric pollution does not remain in its country of origin.

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