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Buffalo Ken

So - are the derivatives being used as collateral in currency exchanges. The amount of funds is so huge you can keep "doubling down" and eventually you figure you will score. Then, a small profit is made regardless. Maybe you already answer this, I don't know.

But, if this is the case, then like any gambler knows, eventually you hit a long losing streak and then the shit hits the fan. Because the "house" always demands payment.

I think with these derivative things there will be no payment forthcoming. This is when it will get ugly unless somebody stops it from happening.

Please tell me if I am way off base.

Peace,
Ken

Buffalo Ken

and what the heck, since I've opened my mouth even though I was planning on keeping it shut, let me add this.

The likelihood of "a long losing streak" increases exponentially as the aspects of a "false reality" confront the truth.

The truth is these derivatives aren't nearly worth what is being claimed.

Buffalo Ken

these banker m-f'ers are gambling with all of humanity. it is time they gave something back, elsewise, they can die with the rest of us. Seems only fair that way.

What do you think?

Elaine Meinel Supkis

Derivatives have no 'worth'...they are insurance, sort of. Just like gold functions as a wealth restrictor. But of course, if you have a big earthquake, so to speak, the insurance has to 'kick in'. If it can't, the whole thing collapses. The global banking collapse is a mag 9 earth quake with a massive tsunami. The tsunami comes after the earthquake.

Buffalo Ken

Hey - thanks.

A volcano could probably do it also. A big one, just under the ocean. The amount of energy released would be amazing. Plus, the tsunami could definately be the second act.

Royal Dutch

Big changes are coming, else all industry and money would not have moved offshore. The big players are moving behind China. And who is to say? Maybe this is the system reacting to Volckers high interest rates from the eighties? I think so, another interesting fact, is Bunker Hunts loan was paid off in 2004.

Buffalo Ken

Yeah, why not take those derivative funds and use them to corner the silver market or better yet to buy the future forever. I mean they are approaching infinity, so why not try? If they are approaching it then maybe they are it. What do you think - I've got my opinion for what it is worth.

Buffalo Ken

I think the "derivatives" are NOTHING more than an assumed value or an assumed insurance based on faulty assumption that are not true.

Thus, the derivatives need to be reconnected with reality or it is time for the crash of all crashes if you know what I mean.

Buffalo Ken

I promise this is my last post for the day because I am going to turn off the computer, but I don't want the crash of all crashes. I don't want there to be a catastrophic earthquake or volcano. I just want there to be more equality.

As I say at the linked website, I envision a future of equality and dignity for all individuals. So, you should know where I'm coming from.

Later,
Ken

Elaine Meinel Supkis

It seems to me that Volcker has been twisting arms behind the scenes which is why the biggest 'free lending' Fed chair suddenly announced he is resigning. Since he is the NY guy, this is by far, the most important of the Fed bank branches.

The people pushing for all this are the top elites, of course. They are SCARED TO DEATH now. So scared, they are handing the keys to Volcker of all people.

Yusef

About a week ago while I was listening to CNN on AM radio, I heard a report about new regulations on credit cards announced and being put in place by the FED. I thought the new regulations sounded good and were long overdue,but what got me was that what was being done by the FED was really a legislative activity and should have been done by the Congress--that the FED was doing it seemed a usurpation of congressional power. Have you heard about these new regulations, and if so, what do you think about them?

rockpaperscizzors

Grab a hanky to wipe your eyes from side-splitting doubling over laughter of schadenfreude. From calculatedrisk:

BK Judge Rules Stated Income HELOC Debt Dischargeable
by Tanta
This is a big deal, and will no doubt strike real fear in the hearts of stated-income lenders everywhere. Our own Uncle Festus sent me this decision, in which Judge Leslie Tchaikovsky ruled that a National City HELOC that had been "foreclosed out" would be discharged in the debtors' Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Nat City had argued that the debt should be non-dischargeable because the debtors made material false representations (namely, lying about their income) on which Nat City relied when it made the loan. The court agreed that the debtors had in fact lied to the bank, but it held that the bank did not "reasonably rely" on the misrepresentations.
...In essence, the Court found, such lending guidelines boil down to what the regulators call "collateral dependent" loans, where the lender is relying on nothing, at the end of the day, except the value of the collateral, not the borrower's ability or willingness to repay. If you make a "liar loan," the Judge is saying here, then you cannot claim you were harmed by relying on lies. And if you rely on an inflated appraisal, that's your lookout, not the borrower's.
http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/05/bk-judge-rules-stated-income-heloc-debt.html

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Michael

Elaine,

This was a really focused and well-balanced piece. Thanks.

Although some participants might like you to "scrub" the subject of politics (and perhaps religion) from your economic analyses, I hope you do not. Though I may not always agree with you, I strongly share your perception that national and international economics cannot be realistically isolated from political (and sometimes religious) forces and events.

What I most appreciate about your work is this: You are at the extreme opposite end of the HONESTY CONTINUUM from the official information provided by the politicians, financiers, and analysts when discussing what has been and is happening. I would rather that you be occasionally "wrong" or write something I disagree with from time to time, than that you carefully say nothing meaningful at all when you communicate or outright lie, as they do.

Crimson Ghost

Perhaps Volker could put a gentile or two on the still 100% kosher Federal Reserve Board. The bubble blowers Greenspan and Bernanke are stictly kosher while Volker -- the bubble burster -- is anything but.

A coincidence?

I would not bet the farm on it.


Yusef

Here's a link to the Fed's proposed credit card regulations, including a bit of reaction to the intrusive nature of the action (from private industry):

http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/unfair-credit-card-trade-practices-1282.php

Bear of Little Brain

All this talk of Volcker and his Messiah-like ability to put Humpty-Dumpty back together again prompted me to do a quick Wiki.

From Wiki:
"He played an important role in the decisions surrounding the U.S. decision to suspend gold convertibility in 1971, which resulted in the collapse of the Bretton Woods system."
Interesting. Not quite what I expected.
His career also follows the Government/Bank/Government/Bank model we are so familiar with.
After leaving the Fed he became chairman of J. Rothschild, Wolfensohn and Co., investment bankers.
Hmmm… Rothschild.

Wiki:
"As of October 2006, he is the current Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the influential Washington-based financial advisory body, the Group of Thirty, and is a member of the Trilateral Commission. He has had a long association with the Rockefeller family, not only with his positions at Chase Bank and the Trilateral Commission, but also through membership of the Trust Committee of Rockefeller Group, Inc. (RGI), which he joined in 1987. That entity managed, at one time, the Rockefeller Center on behalf of the numerous members of the Rockefeller clan… He was a founding member of the Trilateral Commission."

As required for a Head of the Fed, he's Jewish (just a fact - but is no other race capable of being a central banker?). His middle name is Adolph, however. (Ah, how the Gods mock us.)

Rothschilds, Rockerfellers - maybe we should be more circumspect concerning Mr. Volcker. This man is definitely an insider's insider.

So, he played an important role in abandoning gold, but was the saviour who savaged the working classes and the farmers in order to destroy the inflation unleashed by…umm… Abandoning gold? Reconcile that.

I sense a game being played over long periods, all intended to allow those cloaked in trusts and holding companies to accrue all the wealth of the world. I imagine a tall oak being cut down with one of those old long-saws, the ones with a handle at each end. At each end stands a banker. The saw moves steadily back and forth. Inflation. Contraction. Inflation. Contraction. Inflation. Contraction. Until the oak is felled.

And what of Mr. Volker and his new friend, Obama? Wiki has a link to a recent speech, given at a dinner on April 8, 2008 in honour of Mr. Volcker's 80th (eightieth) birthday. (He ain't no spring chicken, ma.) The full text is here:

http://econclubny.org/files/Transcript_Volcker_April_2008.pdf#PDF

Here is a biased out-take from the very brief question/answer session:

"PAUL VOLCKER: ...this is non-political. Some time ago I did indicate my support for Barack Obama. My confession is I had not long studied his economic program and his voting record in the Illinois legislature, let me make that clear. Nor did I long examine his oppositions voting record on these matters or their economic program, and neither of which were very clear at the time."

Not much "due diligence" there, then; but, thank God, we have one honest man at last. He goes on to make it clear that his concern is for the attitudes in the country. However, note that he said "this is non-political"!! Huh? What is going on? A supposedly liberal candidate being "supported" by a man who would probably go for a reprise of his inflation-squashing, recession-inducing past. Or is he a "minder" who will economically neuter Obama? He certainly doesn't seem a natural bedfellow, or even acquainted with whatever Obama is supposed to represent. Here be dragons.

Time to dig out the "Troy" DVD and check out the Wooden Horse scenes again.

What say you, Elaine?


Bear of Little Brain

Crimson Ghost:
Sorry to rain on your parade. From Wiki (which could be wrong):

Born September 5, 1927 (age 80)
Cape May, New Jersey
Nationality American
Profession Economist
Religion Jewish

kenogami

Michael wrote:

"Elaine,
What I most appreciate about your work is this: You are at the extreme opposite end of the HONESTY CONTINUUM from the official information provided by the politicians, financiers, and analysts when discussing what has been and is happening. I would rather that you be occasionally "wrong" or write something I disagree with from time to time, than that you carefully say nothing meaningful at all when you communicate or outright lie, as they do."

I agree. I like to read Elaine because both her head and her heart are in the right places. She will not willingly lie or misled. Though I disagree with her sometimes, in particular about Tibet, the Dalai-Lama and China. There are few things more revolting than dealing with pathological liars, scum bags who abuse the trust of honest people, harm them and destroy lots of good things.

kenogami

Michael wrote:

"Elaine,
What I most appreciate about your work is this: You are at the extreme opposite end of the HONESTY CONTINUUM from the official information provided by the politicians, financiers, and analysts when discussing what has been and is happening. I would rather that you be occasionally "wrong" or write something I disagree with from time to time, than that you carefully say nothing meaningful at all when you communicate or outright lie, as they do."

I agree. I like to read Elaine because both her head and her heart are in the right places. She will not willingly lie or misled. Though I disagree with her sometimes, in particular about Tibet, the Dalai-Lama and China. There are few things more revolting than dealing with pathological liars, scum bags who abuse the trust of honest people, harm them and destroy lots of good things.

Michael

Bear - Right as usual.
No Fed chief has EVER bailed out as many banks as Volcker did when those banks made bad decisions gambling to get rich with other people's money. It should be called "The Volcker Put" instead of the "Greenspan/Bernanke Put" - they're just following in the footsteps of the Master.

And nothing leads to the greater and greater expansion of EXCESS CREDIT for the financiers to gamble with in pursuit of obscene profits than bank bailouts by the Fed when those gambles go wrong. Interest rates are minor in long-range impact.

Volcker is indeed the father of the CURRENT economic disaster (including the junk bond LBO, mortgage CDO, and derivative monsters - all of which were initially created and expanded on his watch while banking and financial deregulation proceeded apace).

The ONLY thing Volcker ever did right was to raise interest rates in 1979-1980 until they were higher than the rate of inflation - which he did exactly once, at the beginning of his term as Fed chief. He then dropped them LOWER than the rate of inflation within a year of their peak (typical of all Fed moves at the onset of recession).

It was the worldwide depression of 1981-1982, combined with the political infighting (and cheating on oil production limits) within OPEC that broke the 1970's hyperinflation, not Volcker personally. He has ridden his one-time very brief interest rate raise to achieve cult status among his groupees, with little mention of his setting in place the deregulated Ponzi banking and financial system that we now have to try to survive.

henni

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I use the American Express Cash Rebate card as my first choice, then Discover, then Visa

Crimson Ghost

Volker Jewish?

Surely there must have been at least one gentile Fed head over the past 50 years.

Elaine Meinel Supkis

Volcker isn't a god. And of course, he bailed out everyone when this mess started. He is a member of the ruling class!

And as ALL Fed heads do, he drops interest rates below the rate of real inflation because THIS MAKES OUR ECONOMY GROW which is why we have...constant inflation!

ALL FED LEADERS DO THE SAME THING. But they try to 'moderate' this and this is IMPOSSIBLE since everyone wants infinity!


This is why I wrote that long piece about gold being the Goddess at the Gates of Death, She balances everything on her golden scales. And She will not allow infinite wealth to be made out of thin air. She is very exacting about this matter.

We have been trying to fool Her for quite a while and She grimly rebalances the scales over and over again. We never seem to learn.


If we did learn, we would moderate our demands and not try to create infinite wealth. We would be much more careful. I happen to think NO ONE is good right now. Not even Ron Paul. He thinks we should have infinite CHILDREN. Talk about nuts.


No, the human race is in trouble because we want infinity and are not willing to move into outer space and leave this planet and open our horizons. Even though we have a Mars lander, that is not bringing us close to anything. I see no Lagrange platforms except for the near-forgotten space station that the Russians are servicing right now.

And frankly, that is my opinion. We must either reach for the stars or moderate our appetites here on earth. Thus, this is a religious problem. For the ONLY tool that does this is religion. This is how we cut back on eating things or building stuff.

Elaine Meinel Supkis

Henni, thanks for the information about American Express. I no longer use any cards. They are too dangerous. But if you have a good income, they are great. I used to have a good income. But now, it is fixed so I keep out of trouble. Despite the desire to use that 10%. What I do is have friends put some of my stuff on their cards and they get the 10%. Better than Xmas presents.

Yusef

Arthur Burns was a gentile.

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