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Elaine, I think you will LOVE this image of Jefferson fighting the multi-headed evil bank monster.


With this bailout it looks like the experiment with Jacksonian democracy, giving some power to the common man instead of just landowners, is OVER. Good night.



Complementing a strict construction of the Constitution, the Jacksonians generally favored a hands-off approach to the economy. The leader was William Leggett of the Locofocos in New York City. Jackson believed that when the government took a stronger role in the economy, it made it easier for favored groups to win special privileges, which was anathema to a nation run by, and for, the common man. In particular, the Jacksonians opposed banks, especially the national bank, known as the Second Bank of the United States.

Elaine Meinel Supkis

Jefferson threw himself into the jaws of that monster. He went bankrupt. He kept slaves and even used them for sex.

I am a fan of Ben Franklin. He and I are very similar even to the point of forming street patrols, etc as well as inventing stuff for fun.

He didn't go bankrupt. Nor did he keep slaves.


Ben Franklin did not keep slaves??? HAHA! Tell me another one!

(My son just finished a school report on him.)

He still is a genius. Albeit a slave-owning, lustful, Freemasonic one. And he did change his mind on slavery later in life.


Slavery was an accepted way of life in early colonial America. Without the work of slaves and indentured servants, the growing economy of the colonies would have been limited. Almost all of our country's founding fathers owned slaves at one time or another, including Benjamin Franklin.

Franklin owned two slaves, George and King, who worked as personal servants, and his newspaper, the Pennsylvania Gazette, commonly ran notices involving the sale or purchase of slaves and contracts for indentured laborers.


What do you expect from d.a.r.? Street patrols...wtf?


Cheer up, Elaine. It´s election year you might still get another 600$ in the mail or maybe a FED Express credit card for xmas.

It´s not infinity, it´s just an ordinary 8 that got drunk and fell. It takes a while for the 8 to sober up.
I think your president cleared this up already. What´s wrong with you?

Elaine Meinel Supkis

Everyone who had money had indentured servants. Slaves were always slaves forever. And their children, etc. It was a very noxious system.


Now that the numbers are posted by each
candidate and contributors, we will know
who is going to get a piece of the 700 Billion dollar pie. Its evident Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan will score heavily. But I am sure many on K-Street have been working over-time to make their voices heard.
Bottom Line: Awards to favorite lobbyists will play, but also the manner it denies
such prizes. Contributions can come back and haunt you, Ask Tony Rezko, near sentencing, he is asked the FEDS to hear his new song. Someone in Illinois is going down. Rob Blagojevich (Gov), please stand up?

Dutch Masters



I dont think this is a bailout!
This is recapitalization!
The Congress sold us out!

The country is over comrades!
This is the dawning of Social Communism! WOW!


I wonder what negative interest will look like, the bank paying you for borrowing money? If the inflation goes through the roof it doesn't really matter anyway, we are all doomed
As for the Founding Fathers one must not forget the pesky natives, who were a nuisance and had to be xterminated


Does anyone have anymore information on Speaker Pelosi's martial law declaration?


We Are Under Martial Law As Declared By The Speaker Last Night

September 28, 2008 C-SPAN

Congressman Burgess asks the Speaker of the House to post the bailout bill on the internet for at least 24 hours instead of passing the largest piece of legislation in US financial history in the “dark of night.”

The most frightening part of Rep. Burgess’ one-minute floor speech is when he says,

“Mr. Speaker I understand we are under Martial Law as declared by the speaker last night.”


The story of the millionaire in England who killed himself and his family is so horrible. He killed himself over money!! I can not comprehend doing that! Why couldn't he realize that life is not about who has the most....and to kill his wife and those precious children is unbelievable. Our family and loved ones are THE most important thing in life. This story shows the truth of greed for money being the root of all evil. People become so vile and wicked over money....and money can evaporate in a flash, as we have seen recently.

Blunt Force Trauma

GK, keep yourself a little more loose. Breathe.

Under the martial law procedure, longstanding House rules that require at least one day between the unveiling of significant legislation and the House floor vote on that legislation — so that Members can learn what they are being asked to vote on — are swept away. Instead, under “martial law,” the Leadership can file legislation with tens or hundreds of pages of fine print and move immediately to debate and votes on it, before Members of Congress, the media, or the public have an opportunity to understand fully what provisions have been altered or inserted into the legislation behind closed doors. This is the procedure that the Leadership intends to use to muscle through important bills in the next two days.

Yeah, its martial law in congress(?). But when did this come about, who created it? To be honest, its the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. They should be given the time they need to review what they are voting for! Who the hell is enforcing this anyway? Martial law has to do with military, the whole idea of it taking place in congress is beyond reasoning, even though I know there is no one really enforcing it.

Elaine Meinel Supkis


Must digest it. Am too tired tonight to tear it apart. Will tear it apart, of course, what little I saw annoyed the hell out of me.

And I intend, as usual, to tie it into all the other garbage going on.

THE DERIVATIVES BEAST LIVES. Honest to goddess, the damn thing has grown faster than ever this last quarter. Damn.

Elaine Meinel Supkis

Pelosi, McCain, Obama and all the top GOP as well as top DNC are all totally and completely owned by Wall Street. They obey their masters.

This is infuriating. And should be the topic of discussion by our media who will never, ever even if hell freezes up like Antarctica, freeze up.


how much of the 700 billion bailout will fall on taxpayers of USA as opposed to foreign powers? It seems the bailout will extend to foreign banks, which is just doublespeak for making foreign nations fund the rescue


To kill this Derivative Beast the only thing that USA needs to do is to increase the interest rate and appreciate the US dollar right? I am not an economist, just being naive here.

Again thanks for the links and Elaine's post here, nteresting news from the human angle, how the politicians getting paid big money handling the crisis.

Elaine Meinel Supkis

Our bankers want the Japanese solution.


Figures since they have massive funds squirrelled away
Meanwhile they are making some big moves:

Japan should be aiming for its pre-war aims of resources of the South Pacific and this time it can achieve this without firing a shot


It's not money that is evil. Money is just a tool. So much more convenient than carrying a pig to the market. And what if nobody needs a pig. No trade for you, pig-man.

It's the LOVE OF money which is evil. And killing yourself and your family over money is a great example of that. Should have loved his family, not his money. So someone killed his money because he was unable to do that on his own, and in his blindness he went on to kill his family, not love them.

Elaine Meinel Supkis

Yes, I have had lots of money and then no money at all. Went from a mansion to living in a tent complex for 10 long years. Yet the period in the tent complex was actually fun. I enjoyed it to the point, when I go to look at the remains of this temporary home, I cry from the happy memories, it is all so funny, actually.

When we had bad times, my family drew closer together. In many ways. Instead of having a spoiled, rebellious child, my son was wonderful as a teenager! It was astonishing, actually. I didn't expect that. It was a gift.

And people don't believe this. Adversity can bring out strength if one is open to the changes and doesn't cry over spilt milk.


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