Gandhi Chased Out By Jews In Denial

January 26, 2008

Elaine Meinel Supkis

The Washington Post has this 'On Religion' column that is supposed to talk about religious matters. Most often, this means some sort of story about how wonderful Judaism is and how nice it is for other religions to get along with each other and not fight over ownership of olive trees and mud huts. But when Gandhi's grandson dared to request Jews to please stop using the Holocaust as an excuse to steal and kill in the Holy Land, he was attacked and driven out of the 'Peace Institute' he led just as Jimmy Carter has been 'vanished' by the media for doing the same thing. War grows nearer as the battle heats up in Gaza.

Arun Gandhi Quits Peace Institute in Flap Over Blog Posting By Michelle Boorstein

The grandson of Indian spiritual leader Mahatma Gandhi resigned yesterday as president of the board of a conflict resolution institute after writing an online essay on a Washington Post blog calling Jews and Israel "the biggest players" in a global culture of violence.

In his resignation letter to the board of the M.K. Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence, founder Arun Gandhi wrote that his Jan. 7 essay "was couched in language that was hurtful and contrary to the principles of nonviolence. My intention was to generate a healthy discussion on the proliferation of violence. Clearly I did not achieve my goal. Instead, unintentionally, my words have resulted in pain, anger, confusion and embarrassment."

Israeli Zionists are global war mongers. The ones that infest the highest levels of our State Department, the Pentagon, the White House, the Foreign Service, the media, the universities and in Congress and the courts have all united in this program of pogroms aimed at driving out or eliminating all the non-Jews in the 'Holy Land'. This ethnic cleansing effort began long before Hitler made his first speech, it goes back to WWI.

Britain needed money. Badly. Jewish bankers wanted to fund Zionist population relocation plans that were cooked up when the Czar of Russia, worried about worker unrest, unleashed a pogrom against the innocent Jews living throughout the 'Pale' which was the limited lands where they were allowed to live in poor ghettos. These ghettos became the reverse model with the colonization of Palestine. The Ottoman Empire was approached by Jewish bankers seeking a place for the displaced people of Russia who were told, 'One third must be removed or killed.' Many Russian Jews came to NYC and settled in America. A number went to France and Germany.

The Ottoman Government was happy to take bribes to resettle Jews into their province. But in WWI, Turkey sided with Germany against Russia and thus, was instantly against England. So when Jewish bankers watched Lawrence of Arabia and the others starting an insurrection against the Turks, they moved in to secure their place yet again. This worked, via the Barfour Declarations. Armed with this, they immediately began to buy out as much of the Holy Lands as possible. The Muslim leaders at the Damacus Meeting were furious to learn that Britain had unilaterally handed over the religious site to the Jews without consulting them.

This anger nearly sank the British Empire in WWII. But the US won and fear of Russia again caused the former Ottoman Empire entities to side with the US and England. In return, they were betrayed yet again and the establishment of Israel was pushed through over their objections. Since then, we have been on course to the Apocalypse. My one desire, if there is one, is to avoid this event. All my life, it has been the one wish.

Alas, every day goes by and we walk the war path. The flap at the Washington Post when a neutral man, upset over the sight of the ghetto of Gaza being starved to death, he wanted to give some warnings that people are more and more irritated by the Jewish demand we worry more about the Holocaust and using this as justification for creating a new Holocaust. He was saying, Jews are losing friends and allies and endangering themselves because of Zionism's plans to destroy all other people in the Holy Land.

I have spoken about how the Jewish Zionists want to be holding all public positions while being totally invisible is a golem of tremendous danger. It is the corruption of the Ring of Power as Tolkein so carefully explained in his stories. When Gollum used his new ring to sneak around his family and do things, his grandmother kicked him out. The flap at the Washington Post when poor Mr. Gandhi who has no urge to support the Apocalypse was huge. And in the end, he was forced by the Jewish media and the Jews running the University of Rochester to not only apologize to them but crawl on his belly and take back the truthful words he wrote.

This disgusting action worked. The poor man didn't have my stomach and was unable to see how brutally he was being abused. He didn't stand up to the many screamers and the hostile, greedy men and women who want every olive tree, every mud hut owned or used by the innocent Palestinians. Just as the Jews were not allowed to own farms, so the Jews want no Palestinians to own farms. And just as the Jews were not allowed to challenge Christians in Russia in 1880, so it is in the Holy Land and the US itself. After poor Gandhi who isn't a fighter but wants 'peace' was thoroughly trashed and debased himself utterly and showed no integrity or strength of will, the Jews still forced him to leave.

They will now never let him talk about Jews again. He will be like me: on the outside. But there is this pesky internet which has given us all a voice even if we can never appear in mainstream media in America. We are international and we all can yell about this as much as we please and bit by bit, this is making a difference. The story of the Palestinians are getting out despite media censorship and lies. The truth about who owns what is coming out, too. The truth about war lies spread by Zionists is being heard. The US is about to have the most hideous election in years, worse than the Bush/Kerry Skull and Bones versus Skull and Bones election. This one is AIPAC versus AIPAC and bomb, bomb, bomb Iran McCain vying with Israel first Clinton.

Gandhi's comments were part of a discussion about the future of Jewish identity on the religion blog On Faith at washingtonpost.com. He wrote that Jewish identity is "locked into the holocaust experience," which Jews "overplay . . . to the point that it begins to repulse friends." The Jewish nation -- Israel, he wrote -- is too reliant upon weapons and bombs and should instead befriend its enemies.

"Apparently, in the modern world, so determined to live by the bomb, this is an alien concept. You don't befriend anyone, you dominate them. We have created a culture of violence (Israel and the Jews are the biggest players) and that Culture of Violence is eventually going to destroy humanity," he wrote.

It is also interesting to me that he capitalizes the name 'Culture of Violence'. Years ago, I chose my 'Culture of Life News' name because I was irritated by right wing Apocalyptic Christians talking about the culture of life when they were plotting to destroy all humanity in one last horrible spasm of religious annihilation. Israel is desperately pushing us all into WWIII and they now are openly threatening to nuke Iran. They work day and night to drive us into war. They cover up crimes, assist terrorists....why was a top Mossad agent sitting next to Atta on 9/11, anyway? They play many dark ops games that hurt our nation and which are designed to make us insecure and cause us to wish for more wars. The media here has been very pro-war and has happily spread lies and deceptions designed to drive us mad.

Today's NYT endorses war mongers. They even lie about the past deeds of these war mongers while endorsing them. To keep the false mantle of legitimacy, they imagine none of us have google and can see what the Times has written in the past, we remember their war mongering in 2003. I was part of the biggest antiwar demonstrations in my life back then. The NYT at first refused to report on these epic demonstrations that were pre-war, not after many years of war. We had to hammer them to get any news of these demonstrations reported.

One smaller demonstration where Muslims prayed for peace in front of the NYT and filled the streets surrounding the Times building in Manhattan: I got news of that via Xinhua news of China! The Times never reported the story even though it stopped traffic in midtown for over an hour and could not be missed.

On Jan. 11, university President Joel Seligman labeled Gandhi's initial comments stereotyping and said they were "fundamentally inconsistent with the core values" of the school. Yesterday, he called the resignation "appropriate."

The article won't tell readers this guy is a Jewish man. Typical of how Jewish media cloaks themselves while at the same time, exposing everyone else. This is beyond dangerous: it is fatal. The Jews want us to believe that talking about Jews owning the media is 'anti-semitism' but pretending the Jewish community doesn't control a lot of the media will spread the already growing distrust further and further. Ron Paul's comments on how the media conspires to eliminate his voice gets the biggest cheers at rallies.

The loss of credibility the media is suffering is growing as it pushes harder and harder, the Zionist agenda. And if the economy collapses, rage over who to blame will light upon the Jewish community like a firestorm! This always happens. Why they think they can avoid this via not talking about important things that are bankrupting the US?

Zionism is very bad for the US. It is a cancer eating our economic, political and diplomatic prospects. It is endangering the US as a nation. As well as possibly, the world. This election should be all about Zionism and what it is doing. The Christians wanting the Apocalypse should be part of this. Instead of ignoring them after getting rid of Huckabee, we should be very aware of them. They are the future core of the potential Nazis who will repeat what Hitler did in the past! The Zionsist/End of Times Christian alliance is a hellish beast that is stalking the world! And the Zionists think they control the Beast that is slouching out of Bethlehem. Instead, it will devour them.

They should thank Gandhi for trying to warn them and trying to stop this. They should pray that Jimmy Carter stops them from doing their worse which we see today as Gaza triumphantly defies Jewish attempts at destroying Hamas.

Here is an old interview with Jimmy Carter
Tuesday December 12, 2006

The many controversial issues concerning Palestine and the path to peace for Israel are intensely debated among Israelis and throughout other nations - but not in the United States. For the past 30 years, I have witnessed and experienced the severe restraints on any free and balanced discussion of the facts. This reluctance to criticise policies of the Israeli government is due to the extraordinary lobbying efforts of the American-Israel Political Action Committee and the absence of any significant contrary voices.

It would be almost politically suicidal for members of Congress to espouse a balanced position between Israel and Palestine, to suggest that Israel comply with international law or to speak in defence of justice or human rights for Palestinians. Very few would deign to visit the Palestinian cities of Ramallah, Nablus, Hebron, Gaza City or Bethlehem and talk to the beleaguered residents.

What is even more difficult to comprehend is why the editorial pages of the major newspapers and magazines in the US exercise similar self-restraint, quite contrary to private assessments expressed forcefully by their correspondents in the Holy Land.

My new book, Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid, is devoted to circumstances and events in Palestine and not in Israel, where democracy prevails and citizens live together and are legally guaranteed equal status. It is already possible to judge public and media reaction. Sales are brisk, and I have had interesting interviews on TV. But I have seen few news stories in major newspapers about what I have written.

This older interview shows how hopeless things are. Jimmy Carter clearly saw apartheid in the Zionist dream of domination. He accurately talked about it. But hammered by the Jews relentlessly, he was forced to grovel and crawl in the dust, kicked in the face and slapped around. So he had to TELL LIES. There is no real 'democracy' in Israel! There are no equal rights at all! Far from it! MUSLIMS who are Israelis cannot drive on certain roads, use certain facilities. They cannot join the military. They can't get special school money or even simple building permits. They are discriminated against all over the place. A man and wife born in ANY nation on earth who claim 1/4 Jewish blood can settle with benefits and bonuses in Israel but NO Muslim marriage outside of Israel is recognized. Worse, any Muslim who marries a Muslim inside of the occupied territories, if they marry an Israeli Muslim, the Muslim is DEPORTED. He or she loses his or her 'citizenship.' Mr. Carter knows this. But he grovels and whimpers even as he tries to point out the obvious.

In the latest crimes against humanity, the starvation of the people of Gaza, Carter isn't in the news, condemning this horror. He is either silent or silenced. As the brave people of Gaza break out and change the political landscape of the Middle East yet again, he is silent. This 'peacemaker' who actually imprisoned the Palestinians when he got Egypt to join the Zionists, is complicit in this crime. He started the payments to Egyptian dictators who brutally rule those people. He is the one who created this mess and should talk about what is wrong there. Perhaps, apologize not to the Jewish criminals but to the Palestinians.

Carter: 'At stake is nothing less than our nation's soul'

In the meantime, the Middle East peace process has come to a screeching halt. For the first time since Israel became a nation, all former presidents, Democratic and Republican, have attempted to secure a comprehensive peace for Israel with hope and justice for the Palestinians.

The achievements of Camp David a quarter century ago and the more recent progress made by President Bill Clinton are now in peril.

Instead, violence has gripped the Holy Land, with the region increasingly swept by anti-American passions. This must change.

And here it is. He is in the news again, lying about peace in the Middle East. NO President of the US has EVER offered the Palestinians anything but betrayals. Camp David wasn't for them, it was for Egypt and Israel. They lost land over it. The occupation got nastier, not nicer. The cruel and unfair laws were made worse, not better. Clinton didn't improve a thing, either. Any territory handed back to the Palestinians who don't run anything since they are OCCUPIED, were given back land that the Israelis didn't need right now even as the Israeli Jews unilaterally seized ever greater lands and built highways and walls designed to pen them into a series of useless ghettos cut off from each other, from the olive groves and from water.

So how is this going to change? Carter should go to Gaza and grovel. He should stand in front of the Israeli walls and say, 'Take down this Wall!' Reagan did this. The walls came down, didn't they [after Germany paid Russia to not interfere]?

Gaza border crisis puts Egypt on the spot

It would be a high-risk strategy, running the risk of an armed clash with Hamas and even another withdrawal - either way it would be a public relations disaster for Cairo.

The other option is to sit down with Hamas, the militant Islamic group that runs Gaza. This is something Egypt has previously ruled out, but late on Friday the Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak is reported to have offered to broker talks between Hamas and Fatah, the party of the Palestinian president.

As long as the Gaza side of this border remains wide open, Hamas have in effect made themselves an indispensable part of this problem and its solution.

Egypt has sympathy for the Palestinians but it needs to regain control of its own territory and is under pressure to do so from Israel and Washington who fear an open border allows weapons to be easily taken into Gaza.

The ONLY nations pressuring Egypt to resume the medieval siege of the Gaza Ghetto is the US and the Jews in Israel. The Palestinian Authority has managed to use a coup to destroy the election of the Palestinian people who don't like the PA which is corrupt and lap dogs of the Zionists. Abbas basically used US power to unilaterally take over the West Bank. But he failed to oust Hamas from Gaza, therefore, the siege. The discredited PA is now losing power very rapidly as they sat idle while letting the Jews starve the people in Gaza. Now that the people are free again and by the agency of their elected leaders, the coup run by Abbas is in serious trouble at home.

He is a Quisling shown to be a traitor. They hung Quisling, didn't they? The Norwegians, that is. People hate Quislings. Vichy France's leaders were not honored or loved, were they? So it is here: obviously, Abbas is not saving his people, he is exploiting them. He has gained absolutely nothing after groveling to Israel. Not one blasted thing. The West Bank people have no media, no voice, no election powers, nothing. We don't have the faintest idea what they think right now because the PA dictators have silenced them just as the Egyptians are silenced by their dictator who also gets money from the US.

The whole Muslim world is watching this battle of wills closely. They can see how the US is weakening as our nation sinks under the burden of our military spending. Nothing pisses me off more than seeing all the conservatives on TV calling for destroying Social Security because we are spending too much money. Not one of them except for Ron Paul, calls for cutting a dime in military spending. Indeed, 'Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran' McCain wants to cut taxes and increase military spending which is pure insanity. The Muslims know this and they track our misspending. They are waiting for us to finally flounder. Then they will do what China is doing: demand their lands to leave US control and revert to their control. Taiwan goes to China and Jerusalem to the Muslims.

More important, prior to Bush's touchdown in the region, the most powerful institutions of the region had signalled inequivocably their commitment to ally with Iran against any and all war scenarios emanating from Washington. The first major initiative was the official invitation of the Gulf Cooperation Council, to Iranian President Ahmadinejad, to attend their summit in Doha December 3-4. This was the first time since the founding of the GCC that an Iranian leader had been accorded such an honor. Ahmadinejad did attend, and presented a proposal for cooperation in 12 points, which was warmly received. The proposal outlined plans for "regional security and economic pacts" without foreign influence, IRNA reported on December 16. Iranian sources have told this author that, following that historic event, Iran sent a letter out to its Arab neighbors, calling for the establishment of a working group to study his proposals further, and that another meeting on the issue will be held. Following that summit, an invitation was sent the Iranian President from the most influential Arab leader of the region. Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz al Saud personally invited Ahmadinejad to attend the Hajj prilgrimage, again an unprecedented event, -- the first time in 1,400 years -- which, Iranian sources assured this author, could not be underestimated.

It should be noted in this context, that very few, if any, of the Arab Gulf leaders fell for the line retailed by Bush in his earlier visits to Israel and the Occupied Territories. Though he preached peace, even venturing to declare that the territories occupied by Israel beginning in 1967, had to be liberated, what followed in the wake of his visit indicated that he had actually been on a wrecking mission. No sooner had he left Israel, than the Israelis acted with vengeance in Gaza, demolishing the Palestinian Interior Ministry, killing dozens of Palestinians, and closing off the entire area from vital supplies of humanitarian goods. Had he discussed this with Olmert?

Diplomacy, religion and finances: these intertwine. The US ignores this at our peril. The Arabs let Bush grovel in front of them but then they also are excited about our looming collapse. They used to be afraid of Russia just a year ago but now they have the Dragon of China who is most anxious to see no religious wars where the precious oil is coming from. The practical Chinese hate the high price of present oil and are increasingly irritated with the US raising the price of risk every few months. This latest visit where Bush simply repeated Jewish threats aimed at Iran and Palestine, made our position worse in the Arab world. We are increasingly at a disadvantage there. Iran has seen one diplomatic victory after another.

Pressure on Gaza's border mounts

Internationally, the UN Security Council is due to meet on Thursday for the second time in three days to try to agree a statement calling for an immediate end to violence in Gaza and southern Israel.

And the UN's top human rights body, the Human Rights Council, passed a resolution condemning Israeli military action and demanding an end to the Israeli military blockade of Gaza.

Most Western states did not take part in the vote.

We keep forgetting that all of Europe as well as the US has worked hard to destroy any political power, unity or strength in the Muslim world. The rulers of the Sunnis are frightened of the possibility of revolution. Far from receding, it is actually growing. The defiance of the Palestinian people who successfully broke a seige set up in the US and endorsed by the Palestinian Authorities shows that defiance makes stronger people! They are being hammered into a sword by the blows of the Empire. As we pound away on these once-quiet people, they are turned into a powerful blade that cuts us to the bone. The inner strength they gain in their defiance is hard to extinguish. The Jews, for thousands of years, lit candles every winter to celebrate identical defiance and pride. All this, while suffering the most terrible of torments.

Why they imagine this won't happen in Palestine baffles me. But then, the ability to see oneself in a mirror is a problem for anyone wanting to be invisible all the time. Note the cowardice Europe and the US in this latest UN vote. Our stature shrank with the refusal to even vote. It is yet another attempt at making things invisible. We didn't hear about this in the news here in the US, either. Shame, shame on all the Jews playing this game. They lost but won't face the truth. This loss is theirs, not the Palestinians. History will judge all parties and the US and Israel will come up on the down side.

Click here to read more about Sibel Edmond's strange story and the bizarre connections within this story:

It appears that the cases of Sibel Edmonds and Valarie Plame are linked. Plame was in hot pursuit of the same network. Wayne Madsen, an investigative reporter, was the first to see the connection between the Edmonds and Plame cases. He wrote that Plame’s Brewster Jennings operation had intercepted a nuclear materials shipment that was supposed to have been planted in Iraq to make the case for weapons of mass destruction there. Madsen traces the corrupt tie to Turkey and other Islamic countries far beyond 1996 and, like The Times, links it to the Pakistani bomb. .Richard Barlow, head of the Counter-Proliferation Division, was fired in 1989, when he found evidence that the George H.W. Bush administration was helping the A.Q. Khan nuclear manufacturing program in Pakistan. Stephen Hadley, then an assistant to Secretary of Defense Richard Cheney, led the effort to fire Barlow. Today, the Swiss Federal Prosecutor’s Office has been complaining that the administration of George W. Bush will not assist it in its investigation of AQ Khan.

The Scooter Libby case is interesting because “Turkey” kept turning up in documents that were released. When Cheney aids and Rove discussed Plame, their discussion evolved into a discussion of Russian mogul Mikhail Khodorkovsky, A Q Khan and the Turks. At one point, some of the White House e-mail had been lost, but prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald learned that it was stored at a facility in Olney, Maryland. After he found what he needed, the White House also found the missing e-mail and turned it over. In the trial, the prosecution produced hand written notes that proved that Cheney, Libby, Deputy White House communications director Cathie Martin, and others conspired to besmirch the reputation of Plame’s husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson. Despite revelation of this damaging information, some believe that Fitzgerald, who covered up some important information regarding the first World Trade Center bombing, has little choice but to take a dive in the current case for the Bush administration and that only Libby would suffer in connection to the revelation that Plame was a CIA covert operative. The defense continually said it would put Vice President Cheney on the stand, but declined to do so in the end. Libby was found guilty of lying, and President Bush subsequently commuted Libby’s sentence.

Like a dark shadow, this story oozes along, hidden from the US public.

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Comments

[CK]

The Ghandi name still carries a lot of weight, as long as he chose not to use that weight. He used it. He is now a non-person. Damn quickly too. Carter took a little longer because he was a President. But notice how much mention he gets in the primaries. None. Saint Ronnie yes, LBJ/JFK much, even Ike ( if you listen to Ron Paul ), but Carter nada. He is just another old goy who builds houses for unfortunates.
I think that this is the one aspect of the USA that must cause Hu and Wen the most perplexity, not that they won't help us down our path but they must surely wonder what foolishness motivates us to chop off our own heads for such little gain.

[2012MIHOP]

Elaine,

Thanks for this excellent post on this issue at the core of the trouble in the world. I don't have much more to say, and I don't see much hope that the outcome of the 2008 presidential election will do much to change the US' course.

CK,

I definitely agree that Hu and Wen are so pragmatic that they are likely to be completely baffled by the actions of our leadership. However, I think they are both too intelligent for that to prove much of an advantage versus China.

[Elaine Supkis]

Hu and Wen are NOT baffled. When Reagan ran off to Japan to collect his $2.5 million in bribes, the Chinese asked about this.

They know our Presidents are in the pay of foreign powers. They know that our government is corrupt and in the pay of foreign powers. They know that they merely needed to offer business opportunities and the Bush clan would snap it up.

This is NEVER in the news, of course. The Bush clan is owned by the Chinese. They have us PWND. They did this eyes open, very cynically. They shoot their own traitors in the back of the head. Since we praise Reagan and attack Elaine, they know that they will win while the US will lose. Pretty simple.

[MCC]

If one thinks about it a second, the philosophy of Zionism is really cut from the same cloth as the idea of Manifest Destiny. One idea meant almost complete genocide for Native Americans. The other appears to intend genocide for the Palestinians.

Zionism started as a populist movement that was reacting to European anti-semitism in the 19th Century. Basically the common European Jew just wanted to be free from harassment. Capitalizing on this, the Zionist leaders collaborated with the racist European rulers to create the modern Israel. This gave the Europeans the chance to export their "Jewish Problem". And it also gave the Zionist leaders the chance to start a new Empire on the backs of poor European Jews who were duped into believing they were working for themselves and not just for the Zionist rulers. Nevermind the Palestinians who had the bad luck to be living (and had been for thousands of years) on the land the Zionists decided suddenly belonged to them.

[CK]

Oh I don't think Hu and Wen are baffled by how to buy traitors. I think the puzzlement would be more along the lines of "why sell out so cheaply and for so little." But then again I have little faith in the ability of American's ruling elites in the art of the handlen. But then most americans are toyb to the nuances.

[Carli]

"When a tree falls in a lonely forest, and no animal is near by to hear it, does it make a sound? Why?" Reality is 100% perception.

Zionists have been using this to their advantage through Hollywood, Big Media and the U.S. taxpayer. But for those who are willing to learn there is:

http://nafcash.com/
http://www.stormfront.org/truth_at_last/holocaust.htm
http://thunderbay.indymedia.org/news/2005/01/18220.php
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n2p37_Weber.html

To use dead people for propaganda is despicable. To fabricate dead people for propaganda and purposefully rob U.S. and German taxpayers is evil...

[Elaine Supkis]

The Nazis killed MANY MILLIONS. Not just Jews, they started on the disabled. Communists were next. Then socialists. The Brownshirts who were Nazis were executed! They killed Jews, Russians, dissidents, minority religions of all sorts, priests, nuns, total strangers, writers, gypsies, artists, poets, you name it, they murdered.

There is nothing more despicable than the Nazis. Anyone who pretends there wasn't a GROSS HOLOCAUST is nuts!

The problem here is two fold: the Jews were not the only victims. Nor does this give them an excuse to repeat the Holocaust.

But the Nazis were criminal lunatics. I hate them all.

[Elaine Supkis]

My father was one of the first Americans to drive into Dachau to liberate it. He interrogated the commandant. Er spricht deutsch.

He was the first into Buchenwald. The Russians were firing rockets just over the hills to the east. It was a terrible nightmare for him. He testified at the Nuremberg trials. He saw the dead. He saw the horror.

It haunts him today. It also pisses me off tremendously that people deny this reality. Gads. What does it take? Why do people have to pretend things do or do not happen?

If the Nazis killed only a million, it is evil. They killed many millions maliciously.

Which is why I am angry with my own nation which has murdered many people during my own life in Vietnam, in Central America, in the Middle East, all over the place, out of control.

Arrest the war mongers! Arrest them all! This is why I call for it.

[Carli]

No doubt the Nazi's did all of that, and such behavior cannot be condoned or tolerated. However, a lot of the numbers proponed by the Zionists are questionable by fact. These have been used for their own agenda.

Further, they behave as if they are the only one's who have ever been massacred, and are intently ignoring the other "Halocausts" that came before, and continue to this day, in their own backyard.

It is said that plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery, which makes their behavior in Gaza, what?

Figuratively, who is more to blame the junkie or the pusher? Similarly, who financed WWII, on both sides of the fence and made billions of dollars? If humanity learned to get to the root cause and cut it out like the cancer that it is then the world as a whole would most definitely have better effects. Just my two cents.

[Greg]

why was a top Mossad agent sitting next to Atta on 9/11, anyway?

how do we know this???????

[Elaine Supkis]

Greg, on 9/11 a stewardess in the back saw some commotion in the front. A stewardess in the front was attacked but Atta slit the throat of the passenger next to him.

She called headquarters to report a hijacking [yes, this is true] and gave the seat number of the guy who was the first person to be killed on 9/11.

It was in the news and it was later shown that this man was a top Mossad agent. The 9/11 sites that yap about bombs don't talk about this or a host of other things because it shows that Atta, an Egyptian angry about Palestine, was an attacker, it had nothing to do with bombs, etc.

It annoys me no end how selective all this 'memory' stuff is. I wrote about these things as they happened so I can remember them well.

Alas, the places where I wrote are all gone. Including my excellent 'Anthrax Killer' threads.

[MCC]

Suddenly this discussion has degenerated into people equating anti-zionism with holocaust denial. Fact: the Nazis murdered millions of Jews. Fact: the Jews are now murdering millions of Palestinians. Don't try to deflect the current reality by dwelling on past atrocities. The Jews don't get my permission to murder people just because ancestors of theirs were murdered. Israel is essentially a European colony in Asia. It is the latest attempt in a series of European crusades to conquer the "holy land". After WWII, the Jews should have been given Germany, not Palestine. Saying they have a right to own Palestine is like saying the I have a right to own Scotland because my ancestors got kicked out of there centuries ago, and now I want it back. Please. There's no excuse for Zionism. It is imperialism pure and simple.

[Elaine Supkis]

True. But then, many are guilty of imperialism. It is human nature. Clothing it in permission from gods or divine right is an old con game.

Yes, the poor people of Palestine were horrified to learn they would pay 100% of the cost of the Holocaust which was caused by this Catholic German, Hitler.

[JSmith]

"He wrote that Jewish identity is 'locked into the holocaust experience," which Jews 'overplay . . . to the point that it begins to repulse friends.'"

In reading a review of a new book about Churchill and the Zionists (he saw them as more reliable Middle Eastern allies than the Arabs, and who can blame him?), I came across a quote from Ernest Bevin, the postwar Foreign Secretary who buried the Mandate: "The Jews have gone through, it is true, the most terrible massacre and pesecution. On the other hand, they have got through it and a number have survived."

Such was official British thinking at the end of WWII.

"The article won't tell readers this guy is a Jewish man."

God, Elaine - his name is Joel Seligman! You want 'em to belabor the obvious? "Joel Seligman, the Jewish Presidengt of the University of Rochester..." Yeah - that reads well.

"There is no real 'democracy' in Israel! There are no equal rights at all! Far from it!"

Making them no worse, certainly, than any other country in the region.

"And the UN's top human rights body, the Human Rights Council, passed a resolution condemning Israeli military action and demanding an end to the Israeli military blockade of Gaza."

THAT'll show 'em!

"why was a top Mossad agent sitting next to Atta on 9/11, anyway? how do we know this???????"

1) To drive the plane, probably. 2) Have you ever seen how Egyptians drive?

[Elaine Supkis]

I suppose you don't care if someone claiming they are a superior race and thus, get to steal your home, right?