Russia Shows Europe Who Is Boss

September 2, 2008

Elaine Meinel Supkis

Emboldened by the umbrella of US nuclear imperial power, Europe has chosen to fight Russia rather than be friends with Russia. This unwise choice is rapidly moving Russia towards various interesting and obvious retaliatory choices. If Europe wants to park US missiles and troops around Russia, Russia can mess with Europe's existence since they chose nuclear powered politics rather than sane, sensible normal diplomatic efforts to get along with their main energy supplier. This is a contest Europe will overwhelmingly lose. As always, incidentally.

Putin reminds EU of Russia's Pacific oil pipeline

(Reuters) - Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said on Sunday that Russia's first oil pipeline to Asia must be completed without delay, underlining Russia's energy clout just hours before European Union leaders meet to discuss Georgia. Russian state-owned news agency RIA said Putin had signed a government order "on speeding the building of phases of the Eastern Siberia - Pacific Ocean (pipeline) and not allowing delays," while on a visit to the Far East.

He was speaking in Kozmino, a giant oil terminal being built on the Pacific coast to take the oil from the pipeline, which is being built by Transneft.

Russia doesn't have one customer. They are a major energy exporting power. Just like the US has to play footsie with Saudi Arabia, Europe has to protect Russia, not alienate or threaten Russia. I still marvel at how easily Eastern Europe has dragged Western Europe into a useless confrontation with Russian power. The former Warsaw Pact countries see this as a golden opportunity to stick it to their former masters. But the rest of Europe is going along for the ride because they want to bully Russia into giving them cheap energy.

The nexus here is obvious: Europe and the US hate BOTH Russia and Saudi Arabia! Absolutely loathe their people, their politics, their culture. Everything. The authors of WWI and WWII want to have us believe they are peaceful and kindly. Not the potential authors of WWIII. The chances that the new Holy Roman Empire III, aka, the European Union, might start yet another global imperial war is extremely high since they did this twice in the past. Only during the brief Cold War when Russia and the US divided Europe in two, were they unable to try to rule the entire planet or fight to the death to rule the planet.

EU's show of unity over Georgia

The last time that European Union leaders met for an emergency summit in Brussels in early 2003 there was an almighty clash.

The then French President Jacques Chirac publicly chided the countries of the former Soviet bloc for being "badly brought up" and "losing an opportunity to shut up" because they supported America's tough line on Iraq.

This time, "old Europe" and "new Europe" have overcome their divisions to agree on a tough line on Russia - at least for now.After a summit lasting just four hours, Nicolas Sarkozy - Mr Chirac's successor and currently in charge of the EU rotating presidency - announced that Europe was united.

Over four pages, the summit conclusions strongly condemn Russia's "disproportionate reaction" in Georgia, describe as "unacceptable" its recognition of the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and call on other states "not to recognise this proclaimed independence".

Eastern Europe WANTS global war! The Balkans WANT global war! The British WANT global war. France and Germany, in 2003, were leery of starting WWIII because they had unpleasant encounters from the Napoleonic wars, WWI and WWII. But in a mere few years, the tide turned and even France and Germany decided ethnic warfare is good, egging on wars like the one being stewed against Iran, are good. And in sum: all their dependence on Russian commodities and good will are not needed if they can INTIMIDATE Russia. So the old hat way of doing business: bellowing and then launching sneak attacks on Russia---are now back in fashion!

So Europe is 'united' in its desire to drag the US into a global war with Russia. This is beyond infantile: it is courting certain death. Perhaps not one lesson was learned in the last 100 years there. I know they teach history in school there, I went to school in Germany and they cover the major wars pretty good. The ruins of WWII were still quite visible when I lived in Germany. Germany was occupied by 4 major forces. I lived in the French Sector, for example. The Germans sniggered at the French troops who didn't know how to strut and march properly. Seriously.

Well, here we are with Europe united in pushing back against Russia and Russia is united in shoving Europe's swagger down their throats.

Russia's Gazprom Suspends Gas Deliveries to Europe Due to Repairs

Gas transportation through the Yamal-Europe pipeline will be suspended as of 1600 on 2 September until 2200 on 3 September due to repairs, a Gazprom report reads.

"Following requests from the EuRoPol GAZ and Wingas companies for planned repairs in Poland and Germany, gas transportation through the Yamal-Europe pipeline will be suspended from 1600 on 2 September until 2200 on 3 September. As of 2200 on 3 September until 2200 on 4 September gas deliveries will amount to 50m cu.m. a day," the report said.

The more Europe whines, the more the pipelines will need repairs. If Europe really whines, they can freeze to death. The bellicose European leaders seeking to crush Russian power will then scream they will go to the Saudis for oil and gas. Scratch that. They will use the Nabucco pipeline to circumvent Russia! HAHAHA. Too bad that might end up developing leaks! What if Russia and Saudi Arabia begin doing business with China that involves China getting first dibs on ALL energy from both? This is the future. The US has a bad habit of just printing more fiat dollars to pay for energy. China has gold and cash. As well as trade goods and other things to do business.

A solvent China is already outbidding the deep in debt West. Now that the West is kicking Russia out of the G8 and reverting to the Seven Dwarves status, both Russia and China are joining Saudi Arabia on the outside. Where they are very powerful and getting more so as time passes. Europe knows this and hopes by strengthening nuclear war powers, they can still somehow muscle the new rising powers in the world. Using US missiles and submarines, Europe hopes to dictate oil deals. Like they tried in Iraq.

Where China has just won a $3 billion deal to do oil business with the Shi'ites! Here is a warning from Russia just last year:

28 April 2006 Russia Talks of Diverting Oil to Asia

President Vladimir Putin has said that Russia should direct future oil and natural gas exports to Asia because "unprincipled competition" had blocked its energy companies from expanding elsewhere.

With the bold warning that Russia has other export options, Putin waded into a debate in Europe over the plans of Gazprom, the natural gas monopoly, which is trying to enter the retail gas market.

Putin couched his comments in a discussion of a new trans- Siberian pipeline to ship oil to China, Japan and other Pacific Rim markets. He spoke before a meeting on energy issues with Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany in the Siberian city of Tomsk. After Gazprom briefly cut natural gas exports to Ukraine in January, European leaders have questioned the reliability of Russia as an energy supplier.

It is certainly a large one. At the end of trading Wednesday, the stock market value of Gazprom was $267 billion, more than that of BP, Europe's largest energy company. The value put Gazprom in second place after Exxon Mobil of the United States. Gazprom is now the fourth-largest company in the world after Exxon, General Electric and Microsoft.

"We often encounter unfair competition on international markets," Putin told a business forum held before the meeting with Merkel.

When Russia pulled out this threat from their shako hat, Europe reacted by redoubling efforts to lay their paws on the US nuclear war systems. Instead of understanding Russia, they thought it was time to show Russia who was the real boss: Napoleon. I just watched the Russian 'War and Peace' movie, all of it in Russian, and it was a sobering affair. Truly, this business about pushing Russia around has astounding features, the top one being, how NO ONE learns a DAMN THING from history concerning this sort of activity!

China patiently builds their empires by enfolding other kingdoms with minimum fuss and muss, Russia is the opposite: they fight to the death. They might not fight all that well when the stakes are small. But when they are fighting for Mother Russia itself, this changes them into the world's most ferocious and tenacious fighters. And they always take their battles back to whoever attacked them in the first place. China doesn't do this. Russia always does this.

Gazprom Neft looks to send crude to China via Kazakhstan

Gazprom Neft, the oil arm of Russian energy giant Gazprom, plans to apply for permission to ship crude oil to China via Kazakhstan in the fourth quarter of this year and in 2009, the company CEO said on Monday.

"We are the only company that has a direct contract with China Oil," Alexander Dyukov said.

It was earlier reported that Gazprom Neft had not been included in the schedule for oil shipments to China via Kazakhstan along the Atasu-Alashankou pipeline.

The company said it had applied to the Energy and Fuel Ministry for permission to pump 1.08 mln tons of crude in April-December 2008, but ran into transit problems with the Kazakh state transport monopoly KazTransOil.

As Europe diddles with Russian irritations, the many connections between Russia and China grow rapidly. Time is of the essence here: if Europe is stupid, they will end up, when the Hubbert Oil Peak goes global, begging for energy and not getting it. Europe's choice to cease triangulating and switching to strangulating China and Russia is going to go down in history as the stupidest collective choice yet.

UN Security Council rebuffs Georgian separatists

(Reuters) - The U.N. Security Council refused Thursday to approve a request from representatives of two Georgian breakaway regions, which Russia has recognized as independent states, to address the council.In recent months Russia has repeatedly asked the 15-nation council to allow representatives of Georgia's two separatist enclaves, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, to speak to the Security Council but Western council members have reacted coolly.

However, the situation became more complicated this week when Russia formally recognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent countries after invading Georgia earlier this month to thwart an attempt by Tbilisi to regain control over South Ossetia. Both regions broke away from Tbilisi in the 1990s.

"There was no unanimous support to respond positively to these requests now," Belgium's U.N. Ambassador Jan Grauls told reporters after a closed-door meeting.

Kosovo was recognized by the EU. So they should give Russia something in return. They won't do this because they imagine the US nuclear umbrella and the threat of US missiles aimed right at Moscow means they can snap their finger's under Russia's nose. This stupid idea is backfiring.

Russian Offensive Hailed in Mideast

For some in the Middle East, the images of Russian tanks rolling into Georgia in defiance of U.S. opposition have revived warm memories of the Cold War.

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad flew last week to Moscow, where he endorsed Russia's offensive in Georgia and, according to Russian officials, sought additional Russian weapon systems.

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi's influential son, echoed the delight expressed in much of the Arab news media. "What happened in Georgia is a good sign, one that means America is no longer the sole world power setting the rules of the game," the younger Gaddafi was quoted as telling the Russian daily Kommersant. "There is a balance in the world now. Russia is resurging, which is good for us, for the entire Middle East."

In Turkey, an American and European ally that obtains more than two-thirds of its natural gas from Russia, the reaction was more complex. Turks watched as the United States, NATO and a divided European Union hesitated in the face of Russian military assertiveness, leaving them more doubtful than they already were about depending on the West to secure U.S.-backed alternative oil and gas supply lines.

"This Russian invasion of Georgia is a turning point in the relations of the Atlantic community with Russia, including, of course, Turkey," Ozden Sanberk, a former Turkish ambassador to Britain, said by telephone from Turkey. "There is a change in the paradigm, a change in assessment."

The Muslim oil nations are TRIANGULATING. This is smart. Triangulators do better than absolutists. Barking orders is stupid when dealing with people who can triangulate. Russia isn't part of OPEC but rapidly is becoming the leader of OPEC. Saudi Arabia wants Iran disarmed. But they can't do this and be totally with the EU/US empire because the EU and US want to destroy Islam. Russia and China suppress Islamic rebels very ferociously. But they are not going deep inside the Middle East to do this. A big difference.

The Islamic world can see clearly that US and EU power is fading as both are now over the Hubbert Oil Peak. Europe and the US produce less and less energy compared to previous years. The North Sea fields are in very fast decline. The US offshore fields are constantly in danger of mega-hurricanes. The US has more potential fuel but is extremely wasteful and would have to totally rebuild our entire infrastructure and civilization in order to not be totally dependent upon Middle Eastern or South American oil sources.

The US is acutely unable to cope with this concept. Oil prices are dropping to the $100 a barrel limit OPEC has set. The US hopes to drop it further. It won't happen. This is because the US will simply consume vast quantities of oil again, rapidly. All those SUVs will come back out of the garage again. And the big houses will continue to be built in inappropriate places and public transportation will fade back into nothing again.

Pressure grows on Nicolas Sarkozy for Afghanistan pullout

President Sarkozy's resolve to remain steadfast in Afghanistan was tested yesterday as a poll indicated that a majority of French voters want him to pull troops out after the deaths this week of ten soldiers in a Taleban ambush.

The President inspected the ten coffins and spoke to survivors at a ceremony of tribute on Thursday.

The findings of Le Parisien poll came amid growing debate over France's role in the Nato force in Afghanistan, with Mr Sarkozy being accused of entrenching his country in an unwinnable conflict.

The loss of the servicemen, in what has been described as the French Army's worst day for a quarter of a century, has brought the issue to the centre of public attention almost for the first time.

Sarkozy is an imperialist. He is very concerned about protecting Israel. He wants to use the US nuclear power to expand his own power. At the same time, French people are worried about this latest Napoleonic excess and want their troops home. Afghanistan has now exploded in our faces. Iraq is quiet only because it is now on the road to becoming a hyper-Shi'a state. All is well between Iraq and Iran at last. Thanks to the US intervention.

France wants to be an empire. But can't pay the price. I would suggest they give this project up. If the US can't succeed, certainly the French will also fail. And forget about Germany doing this.

Georgia admits to dropping cluster bombs

A prominent human rights group says Georgia has admitted dropping cluster bombs in its military offensive to assert control over the restive province of South Ossetia. Human Rights Watch says it has received an official letter from Georgia's Defense Ministry that acknowledges use of the M85 cluster munition near the Roki tunnel that connects South Ossetia with Russia.

The M85 is the same weapon that was used extensively by Israel in its 2006 war with Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Israel and the US gets away with multiple war crimes. Serbs are put on trial. Russia sees the obvious racist and ethnic policies at work here. The double standard is aimed only at them, the authors of some of the worst wars and ethnic cleansing get a free ride today, don't they? The US was OK with using cluster bombs on civilians in Lebanon. The Jews supported this crime with all their hearts and minds. The UN was rendered useless. So it is today: useless. So long as Europe and the US are bent on world domination via military might, we will see the UN fade away at last. The US right wing hates the UN. And love empire. They will get their dark wish. Unfortunately, the empires will not be the US and EU that call the shots.

Russia says US may have sent weapons to Georgia

Russia warned the West on Monday against supporting Georgia's leadership, suggesting that the United States carried weapons as well as aid to the ex-Soviet republic and calling for an arms embargo until the Georgian government falls.

The remarks by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and his spokesman came as European Union leaders delicately approached their relations with Russia, weighing how to punish Moscow for its invasion of Georgia without isolating the continent's major energy supplier.

The latest Russian rhetoric was likely to anger the United States and Europe and enrage Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili, who has said Russia's goal all along has been to remove him from power.

As this heats up, it is very easy to stop this freight train to WWIII. The US could suddenly suggest WE disarm. We can set an example. Lay down our missiles, defang our military, curb our war spending and put our lying, conniving leaders on trial just like the EU wants to try only leaders supported by Russia. We must show some sincerity here. Handing over Bush to be tried in Iraq would be a great start. I heartily recommend this.

Then we can go back to competing with China for world resources by doing trade, not printing dollars.

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[kenogami]

An interesting article in the Independent today about old Europe and new Europe and the war in South Ossetia:

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/mary-dejevsky/mary-dejevsky-the-destructive-prejudices-of-europes-new-members-915625.html

[carli]

Russia will bide it's time, and play the diplomacy game which it is learning quickly. It will will build the oil pipeline to China through Kazakhstan, and later on to India. Once completed, the EU will tone down and behave.

By that time, the USA will very possibly no longer be the USA but a fragmented group of previously American states that have seceded from the Union, much like the USSR 12 years ago. That is a very possible scenario.

At the rate things are accelerating, the EU could also very possibly fragment as well. It would not surprise me if there are states within the EU that realize it is not in their interest to continue to be a part of the European currency mechanism and revert back to their national currency.

The US & the UE should stop prodding the Bear, and tone down the rhetoric several notches. Clearly, they are not facing a demonstrative and gesticulating opponent. If they are not careful they might find themselves in the situation of this fighter in the following clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMZfdCkYPig

We certainly live in interesting times.

[don]

Oil prices havent seen these lows in
quite some time. We know that the
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[Christian W]

The US is playing the EU like a flute. The impulse for this latest madness comes from Washington, Zionist circles and the Pentagon planners. It is no coincidence that the Zionist Sarkozy and the UK Poodle are the puppies barking the loudest.

Europe is taking the heaviest hit from the credit crunch and people may start to ask themselves tough questions how beneficial the current US policies really are for Europe. The last thing on earth the CoFR/Neocons etc. want is an independent EU with strong ties to a resurging Russia. That would scuttle the Unipolar US über alles plan in no time at all. This is just more divide and conquer bullshit to keep the EU under the US umbrella.

They are using old hatreds for Russia (mainly in the former Soviet controlled states) to splinter the EU into fractions and build up an artificial NATO dependent on US hardware/MIC. If Europe had time to start asses the situation rationally they could well realize that following the NATO path is counterproductive. Instead the Georgia plan has pushed all the US pro NATO/anti UN plans to full go.

I agree with Carli that this will increase tensions within the EU in the long run.

I have seen an increasing pro 'US' activity in Sweden for example lately. Some commentators there sound like they have been to 'neocon' school. They are parroting the neocon think tank propaganda verbatim. I suspect there is a strong undercurrent of such propaganda work within the EU much the same as the US is leading CIA colour coded 'revolutions' in places like Colombia, Georgia and the Ukraine.

[JT]

I would agree with Christian W. on pretty much everything.
But I´m not so sure that EU is prodding the bear too much, there was talk about sanctions before the meeting but all they did was condemned the actions that´s all. That was pretty much the minimum and pretty much expected (they could not approve right?).
That´s only political talk, no real sanctions were proposed. Russian membership in WTO was already halted before events in Georgia. So I don´t think Europe has gone crazy yet. UK is different matter, but they are not the core EU.
But I agree with Christian W. that there´s a lot of right wing talk here nowadays which seems a bit odd for Europe (especially France and Sarkozy). Traditionally a hard European right winger is a bit to the left of a US democrat :).

I´ve thought about Georgia a lot the past few days and I have a theory. Russia and US/Israel are playing chess for attack on Iran (bare with me ;))
a. Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline provides most of the oil to Israel`s refineries.
b. contrary to what Elaine says, Russia is very much afraid on Nato and does not want direct confrontation with it
c. Israel wants to attack Iran with US support
d. If Israel attacks it cannot rely on getting any oil from Middle-East (politically impossible after attacking Iran)
e. So in order to secure Israel´s oil supply Georgia should be in NATO.
f. US/Israel are in a hurry because they want to attack before Jan 20th 2009.
g. Russia just showed it can cut Israel´s oil whenever it wants and that it will make it too expensive for US/EU/Israel to attack Iran.

There are too many coincidences here.
The BTC pipeline was bombed in Turkey 2 days before attack on Georgia on Aug 7th.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601072&sid=ah7sKNYnEEzY&refer=energy
and the Russians just happened to leave a mine on the railway transporting the oil the alternate route to Europe.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/08/24/2344945.htm
So the Russians managed cut almost all Israel´s oil for a month. Trying to inch towards the Jan 20th date?
So in short the whole thing it about Israel´s oil and attacking Iran.

This is just my own thinking I didn´t read it anywhere. So feel free to shoot holes at this theory of mine.

[geoffery battams]

i also think that when the economic crash comes people are going to want to be seperate from the eu .in thier minds they will blame the usa and the eu for thier problems .i can also see countries going back to the original currencies.i could never understand how people in europe could allow thier currencies to be scrapped in the first place?.the amero i personally canott see happening as it is very diffecult to implement a new currency when there is a civil war going on. i feel that iran will be attacked by at least israel and possibly others .if israel does attack israel will be soon destroyed and rothschild and the other zionists will cry thier eyes out they will bitterly regret thier decisions.god will not be able to save them because god does not favor any race above another .also they will be getting thier cause and effect reward .if israel and usa uk attack iran it will just speed up the economic collapse of the western world.common sense would say dont attack iran but the leaders of israel usa are so power crazed and so religously self righteous they foolishly think god is on thier team the bible has lies in it as well as any religous book has but then every nation thinks that god is on thier side

[Blunt Force Trauma]

Hey, J.T.

Not agreeing with Russia being complicit with the US and Israel wanting to stage an attack on Iran. Russia and Iran are quite strong business partners. Russia has stated that they would stop Iran from aquiring nuclear weapons, which Iran is not trying to do anyway. But I cannot see Russia staging an attack upon Iran, with or without the US and Israel. There is no evidence to support that theory.

Ok, I'll bite on the rest. My answers:

A) The BTC pipeline connects Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan; Tbilisi, the capital of Georgia and Ceyhan, a port on the south-eastern Mediterranean coast of Turkey. I suppose it is then loaded onto ship tankers from there to Israel as the BTC does not go into Israel.

B) Russia fearing NATO? I think not. There is too much to lose on either side should there be an escalation. I'd say that either side 'fears' the other.

C) True or agree.

D) If Israel attacks Iran, I agree Israel will not be supplied with oil from the M.E. as it would be PHYSICALLY impossible after that point.

E) Agreed and that is why there is the big push to have Georgia as a memeber in NATO, which Obama and McInsane vehemently want.

F) Most likely. Agreed.

G) Yes, Russia can, at any time, shut off the supply of oil and gas to those that threaten it to show how vulnerable that those countries really are. I would too, if I had others threatening me and tried to bring those wishes to fruition. After all, why 'fuel' their ambitions to attack me when I would be the one fueling that crusade? Then again, I'd enjoy the oil profits in the mean time :)

Of course the South Ossetian attack was about control over the Baku - Supsa and BTC piplines which are operated by BP. Both pipelines transport crude from the Caspian Basin, which 'Junior' lost control of.

[roger]

Its refreshing to find a blog that has an objective view of the international sceene,to many people in this country have the illusion that we where the sole instrument of defeating Nazism when in fact if it was not for the Russians England and the whole of Europe would be sporting a mustache ala Hitler and the US would be suffering a complete isolation, no im not Russian,but I lived & worked in Europe Africa Australia and the US .I have seen a lot of water pass under the bridge since 1925 & I don't buy group thinking.Good work Elaine!

[Elaine Meinel Supkis]

Germany fought bitterly every step of the war with Russia after Germany lost the Battle of Stalingrad. The US landed easily on D day due to Russia soaking up 90% of the vital fighting energy of Germany.

When my dad roared into Germany on a jeep looking for the rocket caves in Thuringa, he encountered virtually NO resistance from the Germans. He did drive straight into the fierce Soviet/Nazi battles around Jena.

He managed to get half of the German scientists out before the Soviets charged in. The US barely fought any battles outside of the famous Bulge battle. Whereas the Russians fought and on every inch of Eastern Europe.

[carli]

It's a sucker play JT, the EU plays pretend and let's the US do the bad cop routine. In every classroom there is a bully and a "brain" who manipulates the bully.

Europe, now the EU, has always been the one that invaded Russia as Elaine has pointed out many times. The US was suckered into WWII, paid for it, died for it and made to believe it was the Cavalry (this very much appealed to the cowboy mentality) coming to the rescue, which eventually it did thanks to the Russians.

In the big picture it was the Europeans making the play, the Americans executing it, and the Russians doing all the dirty work. The Russians mopped up the Germans, I completely agree with Elaine.

Bombing cities is not very difficult, it's impersonal and you get home for dinner, so to speak. The Russians did the ground work.

The ruling elite have two sticks, the US and Israel. They have made very big financial mistakes these past 30 years and most especially in the last 5 years; and are weakened by this.

I agree with you Geoffrey, they are now eating their just desserts (karma). Unfortunately, when you allow yourself to be used as as stick and shield in a fight, when the shit hits the fan you are also first in line for payback.

It gets even worse when the stick and shield start believing they are the brain, and so it is today. Russia is going to come out of this smelling like a rose, their leadership is focused, extremely astute and patriotic, something the ruling elite who run the West have never been, except onto themselves.

[Fetung]

Russian State Duma Deputy says US will attack Iran before Presidential Election:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k407bCzUb38
Interestingly enough, he says part of it is because Iran's nuclear capabilities.
Ron Paul says Neocon is debating to start Iran War before or after election:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLzupHe_HTk
Dutch is pulling their spies out of Iran, anticipating an US attack in weeks:
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/110167.html

[Fetung]

Oops, wrong link for the Ron Paul talk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmtcjPXerJo&feature=related

[Fetung]

Finally, we have the perfect 144,000 troops (the biblical apocalypse number) in Iraq. If we do not give them more excuse to stay there, they will be pulled out. By starting another war, the US troops will be given more excuse to stay longer in the region.

http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=176861

[geoffery battams]

the american elite? and the western european elite? have allways been internationalists and traitors .rockefeller has often said he admires the chinese system but that is of course because if this type of system came to the west he wouldnt be one of the worker ants. one can only hope that when he is reborn he remembers this past life and comes back as a chinese worker ant .in a past life i recall laying in a cattle truck thousands of miles from mother germany full of bullet holes like a dying guilded peacock lying crumpled on the floor jack boots and officers uniform cobvered in mud and blood officer material that strutted around paris with a feeling of superiour destiny eating up mile and miles of russian territory thinking of glory only to realise that the russians were devils and fiercely proud sucked into the vastness of russia no suplly lines and doomed to death and thinking of past glories american boys think war is exciting it is untill you get shot in the throat and your blood is pumping out like a high powered water pistol then you come to realise in a strange detached sort of way that you will soon be dead because the blood is only trickling out now. god dam the internationalists lets have a rebellion

[Christian W]

Elaine, it is rare to see an American admit what you said about WWII in your last comment. It does not exactly square with American mythology and propaganda.

[PJSV]

Very good JT.

Russia is trying to stop an attack to Iran. And I think it will succed

[GK]

Elaine,

I would appreciate some of your unique perspective on the origins and history of Apocalypse. Old Testament, New Testament, Who believes it who does not, what is the exact prediction (Russian army invades Ssreal, vanishes, all Christians to heavens, 2/3 Israelis die etc, Israel new center of world, etc).

Then some opinion on if you think it is being used a geopolitical plan to work towards or just a psyop to scare people into the arms of their favorite team/government to 'protect' them (give government/MIC all your money and freedom) from this delightful plan.

Maybe it is both plan a and b; if it works out we emerge from the ashes as the new gods of the world by making his plan come true, if not, we end up with all the loot and are the new gods of the looted world spent fighting this never-ending dream world.

Seems like every childs' wish of a 'snow day' at school where they don't have to do their homework or brush their teeth because school got crushed by 50 foot snowbanks.

The real rules don't want to deal with the consequences of 500 years of fiat currency based looting of the planet and can say to themselves it was gods' fault. Then they don't have to clean up after themselves.

All the peasants will be dead and they can arise from the bunkers. Because of course they have all the nukes carefully aimed at heavy peasant clusters and not their treasured estates and floating mansions.

http://thevialsofwrath.blogspot.com/2007/08/144000-and-bible-prophecy_19.html

[Elaine Meinel Supkis]

Humans who imagine they control the Fates are fooling themselves. We are always in the grip of our own psychology. The darker, unseeable parts of this psychology is what I call 'The Cave of Death'. It is where the human mind interacts with the ability to create things.

It is not only where faux wealth comes from [in contrast with real wealth which is food, fuel and sex] it is also where the arts live. It is what the ancient Greeks realized was an opening to another universe which they called 'Mt. Olympus' which is where the gods lived.

In other words, religion.

All religions are ultimately connected with human attempts at understanding why the stars shift. Instead of being fixed in the heavens forever, the heavens are dynamic. Humans need the concept of eternity because of the way our brains are wired.

Eternity=stability. The wish for some sort of status quo stability drives humans into trying to keep systems going in some direction that leads to infinity. Infinity=death. Ergo: if rulers figure out how to access eternal wealth via the faux money making systems, they always do this and it leads to infinity making instead and this always, always kills not only the system but leads to actual deaths of humans, plants and animals in increasingly bigger and bigger wars.

This is why I talk about cosmic/religious matters a lot. The Real Rulers really do rule the earth but their rule is being routed, as always, by the Goddesses who live on Mt. Olympus and who guard the Cave of Death.

The Real Rulers NEVER EVER want economic collapse! NO RULERS WANT THIS, EVER. This is why commentators who talk about these people wanting things to go bad, are wrong.

On the other hand, the rulers of rival empires DO want OTHER empires to go down. This is competition at work. The Real Rulers of the planet do NOT love each other. They are in desperate battle with each other.

[JSmith]

"Europe has chosen to fight Russia rather than be friends with Russia."

That "let's all be friends" wisdom cuts both ways. And the Russians are not a really warm, friendly, open, sharing, caring group of people.

I've met a number of Russians in my career, and we all got along just fine (mainly, by making sure we went our separate ways at 5:30 PM.)

[Fetung]

Elaine, Sarah Palin says War in Iraq is God's task:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html
Religion certainly makes interesting view, Elaine.

[GK]

Time to go back to the pinnacle of US power before the ultimate coup d'etat.

http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=12827

"There are those that believe JFK may have been assassinated for giving this speech. Spend the next 3 minutes of your life with
this amazing video clip of JFK blowing the whistle on secrecy, security and ideals. Simply fantastic."

[Blunt Force Trauma]

Hey, Fetung.

I don't know about you, but Palin was only selected last Friday as McInsane's running mate and frankly, I'm all Palin-ed out. It hasn't even been a week. Baby-gate and all. Here's a big, fat raspberry to that subject - PFFFFT!

[Elaine Meinel Supkis]

As a mother, I never tire of yakking about other mothers screwing up and getting stuck with teenage daughters. Especially my stupid sisters and their teen out of wedlock offspring, all born again Christians down the line.

I am a pagan and my kids had far better control over these things.

[G.]

To JS

None of us think Russia has a decent and democratic government.
They have thugs in high places just like US

Theres just no way we can maintain and control the world.We cant afford it and a lot of average people have no stake anymore
in the conflicts of elite aristocrats.

One must be wary of strangers but one must not fuck with strangers --and humiliate them either. We had a chance to , not make the Bear a nice bear, but to at least damp down the bear's paranoia.

Instead we kept throwing firecrackers at him and teasing him.

[Elaine Meinel Supkis]

We are ruled by thugs. So are the Russians and Chinese. People who cross the thugs are killed, arrested, beaten or destroyed in various ways.

The differences are getting vanishingly small at this point. So the real question is, are our thugs patriots or traitors?

In the US, they are definitely traitors. They have run ALL our systems deep in the red and pledge allegiance to Israel, not the US.